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god should be put on trial
- Thread starter ProfLogic
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jewscout
Religious Zionist
ProfLogic said:
if anyone cares this is what the scripture actually says...
And HaShem saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Gen. 6:5
And G-d said unto Noah: 'The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Gen. 6:13
that's it!!!!!! that's all it says why this happened!!! now how exactly does one get
becasue they acted the way they see fit, as themselves
from the above scripture?? unless you take a cynical approach that all mankind is naturally evil and violent...:areyoucra
oy vey
oy vey
This thread reminds me of a story, and I cant remember where the story comes from, so if anyone knows this story I would be grateful if they could tell me.
Anyways
There were a group of Rabbis who found themselves in Auschwitz during the war and they decided to put God on trial for crimes against his chosen people. And so they debated and deliberated for three days. They agonized over their decision. But looking around them at what was going on, in the end they had no choice. They found God guilty.
And after finding God guilty of horrendous crimes against his Chosen People, they went and prayed.
I guess the point is that it really makes no difference if you think God is guilty or not. If you believe in God, then God is God, guilty or innocent doesnt matter. And if you dont believe in God, then it really doesnt matter.
A lot of people envision God as someone who is constantly passing judgment on human beings. And I dont know if this is true or not. I find it hard to believe. But what I do know is that human beings are constantly passing judgment on God. Should God be put on trial? This is not a hypothetical question. God is being put on trial, likely millions of times every day. But in the end, it still doesnt matter.
Anyways
There were a group of Rabbis who found themselves in Auschwitz during the war and they decided to put God on trial for crimes against his chosen people. And so they debated and deliberated for three days. They agonized over their decision. But looking around them at what was going on, in the end they had no choice. They found God guilty.
And after finding God guilty of horrendous crimes against his Chosen People, they went and prayed.
I guess the point is that it really makes no difference if you think God is guilty or not. If you believe in God, then God is God, guilty or innocent doesnt matter. And if you dont believe in God, then it really doesnt matter.
A lot of people envision God as someone who is constantly passing judgment on human beings. And I dont know if this is true or not. I find it hard to believe. But what I do know is that human beings are constantly passing judgment on God. Should God be put on trial? This is not a hypothetical question. God is being put on trial, likely millions of times every day. But in the end, it still doesnt matter.
fantôme profane said:
Well actually I don't believe in god, I don't need it but it makes me wonder why people refuse to see that there are wicked things that it did in the bible. In Noah's story... innocent babies I am pretty sure were killed too... If there was violence in the world, why not move the good people off this planet? Why not because the writers of the bible never knew of other planets.....
ProfLogic said:
I don't see that anything can actually be blamed on God when it comes to it; if you dismiss the Old testament as a distorted History book written by frail humans who tend to mess up anything we touch, there's no evidence that he has done anything wrong.
ProfLogic said:
I realize that you dont actually believe this story. But you are still making exactly the same mistake that I believe the fundamentalists make. You are reading a story filled with symbolic meaning and taking it literally.
So to you this is a story about God doing some horrendous things. Ok, fine. You will get no argument from me. But this is still a very literal understanding. Might I suggest that you could get a lot more out of this story, even if you dont believe in the Bible God if you tried to look a little deeper? Look at the symbolic meaning. Look at what it says about Gods relationship to humans. Look at Noahs reaction. Compare it to other stories in the Bible, and stories from other traditions. And dont worry so much about what other people are getting or not getting from this story.
We are capable of great evil. We are also capable of putting the blame on someone else, other people or God. It is so easy to commit evil acts such as genocide and then simply say "we just followed orders" or "God said we should do it". We write history books where we omit or tone down our own guilt and we write scriptures, were we blame God. I say it is high time we take reponsibility for our own acts, without blaiming someone else.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
One of the charges levelled against God is the existence of pain and suffering in the world.
If He is an Omnipotent (all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing) and all Merciful God, then why does He not act in the world to change things. Either He isnt all Powerful, or He isnt all Knowing, or He isnt all Merciful. Or indeed He doesnt exist at all.
Perhaps one of the simplest responses to this question is the lesson of the bike.
Do you let your child learn to ride a bike? If you answer no, then you will deny the child a life skill that will give them confidence and enjoyment. If you answer yes, then you are going to have to accept that they will get hurt. You teach them as best you can, you give them stabilisers in the early days, you hold on to the back of the bike and run alongside, you even give them helmets and elbow pads.
But there has to be a point when you let go, knowing that bruises, scrapes and grazes are inevitable. If you do not let go they will never feel for themselves the exhilaration of being able to ride, of feeling the wind in their hair as they speed off through the park, and the sense of achievement and confidence that they have conquered something which requires perfect balance, and constant fine adjustments.
Indeed riding a bike is a good metaphor for life. You have to be on the middle way you cant be too far right or too far left. Any extreme movements and you will not find the necessary balance to allow you to ride. But it is something that can only be learnt from doing; doing it by yourself and getting hurt along the way.
So it is with life. If God constantly interfered with our lives then we would never gain the necessary skills to be a complete human being. Without hurdles and challenges there is nothing to learn, to conquer, no way to grow and fulfil ourselves as human beings. If we see all problems as challenges then we are close to realising a sense of human purpose.
Source: June Editorial of Emel Magazine
http://www.emelmagazine.com/
If He is an Omnipotent (all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing) and all Merciful God, then why does He not act in the world to change things. Either He isnt all Powerful, or He isnt all Knowing, or He isnt all Merciful. Or indeed He doesnt exist at all.
Perhaps one of the simplest responses to this question is the lesson of the bike.
Do you let your child learn to ride a bike? If you answer no, then you will deny the child a life skill that will give them confidence and enjoyment. If you answer yes, then you are going to have to accept that they will get hurt. You teach them as best you can, you give them stabilisers in the early days, you hold on to the back of the bike and run alongside, you even give them helmets and elbow pads.
But there has to be a point when you let go, knowing that bruises, scrapes and grazes are inevitable. If you do not let go they will never feel for themselves the exhilaration of being able to ride, of feeling the wind in their hair as they speed off through the park, and the sense of achievement and confidence that they have conquered something which requires perfect balance, and constant fine adjustments.
Indeed riding a bike is a good metaphor for life. You have to be on the middle way you cant be too far right or too far left. Any extreme movements and you will not find the necessary balance to allow you to ride. But it is something that can only be learnt from doing; doing it by yourself and getting hurt along the way.
So it is with life. If God constantly interfered with our lives then we would never gain the necessary skills to be a complete human being. Without hurdles and challenges there is nothing to learn, to conquer, no way to grow and fulfil ourselves as human beings. If we see all problems as challenges then we are close to realising a sense of human purpose.
Source: June Editorial of Emel Magazine
http://www.emelmagazine.com/