God's motives to torture

[Spiderman]

I don't think so, because the I believe the scriptures reveal that God created humans beings to exist eternally with God living in the joy of an eternal loving relationship. We are eternal beings who cannot cease to exist.

Scripture says nothing is impossible with God. Besides, God already knew who would be saved and who would be damned before he formed anybody in their mother's womb. God didn't create them to have eternal life, because God saw before creating them that they wouldn't have it.

 

[InChrist]

Scripture says nothing is impossible with God.

Nothing that lines up with God's Holy nature, character, and will is impossible, but God cannot violate who He is...

"Is sovereignty and power the cure-all? Many Christians superficially think so. Yet there is much for which sovereignty and power are irrelevant. God acts not only sovereignly, but in love, grace, mercy, kindness, justice and truth. His sovereignty is exercised only in perfect harmony with all of His other attributes.

There is much that God cannot do, not in spite of who He is, but because of who He is. Even Augustine, described as the first of the early so-called Church Fathers who "taught the absolute sovereignty of God," declared, "Wherefore, He cannot do some things for the very reason that He is omnipotent."

Because of His absolute holiness, it is impossible for God to do evil, to cause others to do evil or even to entice anyone into evil: "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted, neither tempteth he any man..." (James:1:13-14 ").
What a Sovereign God Cannot Do - A Newsletter Classic

Besides, God already knew who would be saved and who would be damned before he formed anybody in their mother's womb. God didn't create them to have eternal life, because God saw before creating them that they wouldn't have it.

I think the scriptures show that God created humanity, as in the human race. He didn't create separate individuals. On the contrary, all humans are interconnected. God's desire is that all would be saved and spend eternity in His love and presence, yet He gave the choice knowing some would reject His love and the glorious opportunity. Those could not be...not created, or eliminated without impacting others.

"God wants no one to go to hell. He has provided salvation for all—in Christ, whom He sent into the world “that the world through him might be saved...” (Jn:3:17). He is not “willing that any should perish” (2 Pt 3:9), but desires “all men to be saved” (1 Tm 2:4). Those in hell have only themselves to blame for rejecting the full forgiveness of sins and eternal life offered to all as a free gift of God’s grace through Christ’s payment of the penalty for their sins.

Why would God create those He knew would reject the gospel? Why didn’t God, who knows all in advance, create only those who would believe the gospel and leave uncreated those who would reject Christ?

The human race can’t be so divided. Those who reject Christ are the parents or children, cousins, aunts and uncles of those who believe. Not to create unbelievers would also eliminate believers.

God will be glorified in those in hell [see TBC, April 2001] because He did not back down from His desire to bless billions in His presence for eternity; nor did He go back on His Word and compromise His justice by unjustly forgiving those who rejected the salvation He freely provided. There is no way to fault God for creating mankind. He loves all and wants to bless all eternally." Question: You justify God for sending people to hell because He has provided salvation for them in Christ. That won’t do....How could a good God create anyone who He knew would suffer eternally?

 

[osgart]

How is non belief evil. Non belief is not refusal of the obvious, it is a total lack of obviousness that causes the non belief; completely honest is non belief.

Couple that with having to study a so called sacred book to get to God, and not be damned, and you have a psychological condition to meet its demand.

I am astonished that so many people buy into this fear tactic. Love does not come from such fears.

The koran, and bible are clearly human books totally lacking any pure intention or peaceful resolve because of the pressure and conditions of its demands.

Also the slavery and execution laws ask humans to do God's work of eradicating evil. They are savage ways clearly.

Humans have to do all the governing and judging from these books, really!

God is gonna do this, God is gonna do that. How?, through His people.

Its the pinnacle of gullibility on one hand by true believers, and then after that it is a tool of evil by those who use those books as a method of control and judgment.

 

[Tazarah]

The Bible and the Koran essentially says that people will be tortured in the next life if they are unbelievers or they do or fail to do x y and z.

What do you think God's motives are for torturing people in the next life, if you believe that happens?

Scripture says there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the rich man in Hades was being burned by flames.

If God is love, I could see him putting people out of their misery like you would a sick dog. I cannot fathom why a God who is love would think torture is a good thing, especially for those who didn't know any better.

Where does the bible say this?

 

[Anthem]

God doesn't torture - people torture themselves.

 

[Spiderman]

Where does the bible say this?

Just Google Lake of Fire and wailing and gnashing of teeth. Google the rich man and the poor man Lazarus. I would but I'm only on a phone right now and am getting tired.

 

[dfnj]

The Bible and the Koran essentially says that people will be tortured in the next life if they are unbelievers or they do or fail to do x y and z.

What do you think God's motives are for torturing people in the next life, if you believe that happens?

Scripture says there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the rich man in Hades was being burned by flames.

If God is love, I could see him putting people out of their misery like you would a sick dog. I cannot fathom why a God who is love would think torture is a good thing, especially for those who didn't know any better.

I think God's motives are always much more subtle than we can ever imagine. Without suffering people have no opportunity to be divine. And maybe God's way of fighting suffering is through us helping each other. Of course an omnipotent God can vanish all the suffering with a wave of His hand. But living in a world full of suffering allows each of us to realize our greatest potentials. The world is full of flaws and imperfections which cause our suffering. If God wanted a perfect world, then things would be very different than the world we live in. This world seems more like a factory for creating unimaginable possibilities in peoples lives and behaviors.

Just because God does not use His omnipotent powers to fight suffering and people being tortured doesn't mean God is condoning it or God thinks torture is a good thing. God seems indifferent to me when it comes to human affairs. All the world's suffering may server some higher purpose we do not understand.

Our suffering is a test of our faith in God. The ultimate test is to still love God in spite of all our imperfections, disappointments, frustrations, and sufferings. To transcend hate and find unconditional accepting love for everything that exists is to be divine. We can accept our fate, not like it, try to change it, be frustrated by it, but still have love in our hearts that is simply unreasonable. I think that is what it means to be divine like God is divine. We must strive to find the good in everyone and everything no matter how much we suffer. People behave according to your expectation of them. Maybe having faith means expecting people and God to be good regardless of all our sufferings.

 

[Skwim]

People choose to reject heaven because they refuse to acknowledge or give up sin and they love self more than God or others.

And I suggest that god's servants (ministers and such) have simply failed in convincing such people. After all, not everyone is equally receptive.

Sin and it's damaging impact is not allowed to enter or exist in heaven.

Prove it. Besides, in as much as god supposedly invested man with sin surely he can divest him of it. Right? RIGHT? RIGHT?

Those who are so caught up in self over others would be just as miserable in heaven as they will be in hell.

And your source is . . . . . . . .

Ignorance is not an excuse in a court of law.

So what? Does god run a court of law?

I don't think it will work at the Judgment either,

Then I guess all we sinners can be thankful your thinking doesn't carry any weight.

besides I believe God gives each person adequate information and abundant opportunities to understand if they sincerely desire to.

Of course you do, otherwise god's cruelty to man wouldn't work.

I've already discussed this verse, which you like to continually take out of context, with you enough. Again, this is referring to calamity...not moral evil.

Present your evidence.

God cannot commit moral evil.

Why not? Because you claim all the "god is good" verses override it?

Thing is You're stuck with dichotomy: The Bible says god is good and the Bible says god creates evil. Just like we mere mortals, many who can do good as well as do evil.

It's just as it says in Genesis 1:27 "So God created mankind in his own image . . . ." Both can do good and evil.

Genesis 1:26

Doesn't say a thing about "humans were created with the freedom and will to love or not, trust or not." I'm pretty sure that trying to sneak your own words into scripture is a big NO! NO!. Shame on you. God is most certainly disappointed with your attempt to alter his word. Shame! Shame! Shame!

The whole of the Bible presents God as Holy, God does not and cannot create evil.

Just because you can say it, doesn't change the fact of the matter, which is

"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."

............................................................."I.............................create evil. I the Lord do all these things."

"I create evil. I the Lord do all these things."​

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[Cacotopia]

sounds petty to me, I think if a god were to exist it would be for purely selfish reasons. I don't think there would be any motive beyond "oh you didn't worship me? you gonna suffer beyotch!"

Eternity, a concept a finite being maybe likely never fully understand. Maybe an inkling through virtual and cybernetic enhancement. But they are still finite. If anything I think eternal beings would be indifferent to the musings, and goings on on mortals. I don't think the god(s) really care what we think or feel about them.

I also doubt gods would understand our reality as it is so far and removed from their own. If a honey-bee were to be sentient? Since it lives for a mere week, we would appear to be gods to it. Could it even begin to fathom our own reality. When 4000 of their life times. Is the average lifespan of one of us.

 

[Tazarah]

Just Google Lake of Fire and wailing and gnashing of teeth. Google the rich man and the poor man Lazarus. I would but I'm only on a phone right now and am getting tired.

I know what it says. But where does the bible say that the lake of fire (second death) is going to be torture? Where does it say anything about being tortured. There is no scripture that says that. It simply says that all non-believers (those not found in the book of life) will be put to death in a fiery fashion, and it says that all non-believers who are dead will be risen up to die again, hence the term “second death”.

“Torture” or eternal punishment is a lie, and a false doctrine that is commonly circulated throughout christian/catholic theology. However, there are no scriptures anywhere in the bible that substantiate any of that nonsense.

 

[Shia Islam]

The Bible and the Koran essentially says that people will be tortured in the next life if they are unbelievers or they do or fail to do x y and z.

What do you think God's motives are for torturing people in the next life, if you believe that happens?

Scripture says there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the rich man in Hades was being burned by flames.

If God is love, I could see him putting people out of their misery like you would a sick dog. I cannot fathom why a God who is love would think torture is a good thing, especially for those who didn't know any better.

This life is full of evil. Just imagine if people have unlimited power, how would they behave..
We have seen how people like Hitler and Sadam tortured the innocent people..

Such people deserve what God decided for them..

Then for those who are committing sins and even crimes out of ignorance, God would surely lead them to the straight path and to repentance and forgiveness..

God decides on who deserves forgiveness and who should be punished. Our knowledge is limited..

 

[Faithofchristian]

The Bible and the Koran essentially says that people will be tortured in the next life if they are unbelievers or they do or fail to do x y and z.

What do you think God's motives are for torturing people in the next life, if you believe that happens?

Scripture says there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the rich man in Hades was being burned by flames.

If God is love, I could see him putting people out of their misery like you would a sick dog. I cannot fathom why a God who is love would think torture is a good thing, especially for those who didn't know any better.

Well first where is it written that God going to torture people in the next life, Where's that written at.
Once people are Judge at God's Judgement, those that are found not Worthy of entering God's kingdom are destroyed not to ever exist again. They are not tortured in the next life, because they are not there to be tortured. But have been destroyed both body and soul in the Lake of fire, that consums destroys them to ever exist again.
Look have you ever burned anything in fire. Once you set something on fire it's destroyed to ever exist again. It's gone to never exist again.
That's what happens to people once they are cast into the Lake of fire, their gone never to exist again Ever.
So there is no torturing people.

 

[Kenny]

What do you think God's motives are for torturing people in the next life, if you believe that happens?

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God doesn't torture people any more than a parent tortures a child when a child plays with fire and gets burnt.

Why do you blame God?

 

[sealchan]

The Bible and the Koran essentially says that people will be tortured in the next life if they are unbelievers or they do or fail to do x y and z.

What do you think God's motives are for torturing people in the next life, if you believe that happens?

Scripture says there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the rich man in Hades was being burned by flames.

If God is love, I could see him putting people out of their misery like you would a sick dog. I cannot fathom why a God who is love would think torture is a good thing, especially for those who didn't know any better.

It feeds the dark fantasy of a culture subject to abuse by a foreign power. That may explain it but does not excuse those who still defend it unless they too have grown up in an environment of extreme abuse.

 

[Anthem]

God doesn't torture people any more than a parent tortures a child when a child plays with fire and gets burnt.

Why do you blame God?

True but a bad example. It is the parent's responsibility to make sure he child won't play with fire.

 

[Anthem]

This life is full of evil. Just imagine if people have unlimited power, how would they behave..
We have seen how people like Hitler and Sadam tortured the innocent people..

Such people deserve what God decided for them..

Then for those who are committing sins and even crimes out of ignorance, God would surely lead them to the straight path and to repentance and forgiveness..

God decides on who deserves forgiveness and who should be punished. Our knowledge is limited..

However, I find the Quran somewhat passive agressive when it says god has made the unbelivers blind so they cannot see. And some other rubbish. How he expect people to change if they can't do anything but wander alone in the darkness? It is obviously either a punishment or control.

 

[Kenny]

True but a bad example. It is the parent's responsibility to make sure he child won't play with fire.

Negatory... it is the parents responsibility to teach the children. NO parent can force a child not to play with fire.

 

[sealchan]

What Does the Bible Say About Eternal Torment?

It's true it doesn't say that but certainly many abusive preachers have.

Read through these quotes...they dont quite say eternal punishment...

 

[chinu]

The Bible and the Koran essentially says that people will be tortured in the next life if they are unbelievers or they do or fail to do x y and z.

What do you think God's motives are for torturing people in the next life, if you believe that happens?

Scripture says there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the rich man in Hades was being burned by flames.

I think, the motive is to make that buddy a believer.

If God is love, I could see him putting people out of their misery like you would a sick dog. I cannot fathom why a God who is love would think torture is a good thing, especially for those who didn't know any better.

Parents take their children to doctor for medicine, or injection during sickness.
Specially during the injection time children think, If parents is love, why torture ?

Children will learn about their parents love when they will grow-up,
@ PopeADope,
Similarly, I think I am not grown-up yet to understand the love of God.

 

[viole]

Scripture says there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the rich man in Hades was being burned by flames.

Since peple are getting older and older, I suspect that that noise will be soon superseded by a gnashing of dentures.

Ciao

- viole