God's opposition to homosexual behavior. Why?

[shmogie]

I'm not the one telling people who are perfectly fine the way they are they must change and repent. I'm not the one who puts people's mental health at such risk.

No one should be telling anyone, anything, unless they want to know. No one is compelled to be a Christian, or live the Christian lifestyle. These are choices they have to make for themselves.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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I will take that as a no.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No one should be telling anyone, anything, unless they want to know. No one is compelled to be a Christian, or live the Christian lifestyle. These are choices they have to make for themselves.

There is no "the Christian lifestyle". Since there are countless different interpretations of his teachings there are countless Christian lifestyles. Please note on the subject of homosexuality he was silent.

 

[Skwim]

The words translated chewing the cud in Hebrew are two. the first means anything anything swallowed, the second, to rise.. Self explanatory, rabbits fit the criteria as written in Hebrew.

B.S., and we both know it.

The facts:

The source: Leviticus 11:5
........................"And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you."

The word "cud" in Hebrew: גֵּרָה .

Transliteration of גֵּרָה : "gerah"

Its use in Hebrew:

Source: Strong's Concordance​

If you need the above explained to you maybe someone here will help you out.

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[shmogie]

B.S., and we both know it.

The facts:

The source: Leviticus 11:5
........................"And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you."

The word "cud" in Hebrew: גֵּרָה .

Transliteration of גֵּרָה : "gerah"

Its use in Hebrew:

Source: Strong's Concordance​

If you need the above explained to you maybe someone here will help you out.

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Gerah, literal Hebrew meaning; used once in the OT, here, "As scraping the throat ". Alah, common word with many meanings, including, raise, rise, lift up, ascend etc.

For the uninformed keyboard scholar, Strongs is the final authority on Hebrew translations, it isn't. Many seminary's don't use it because it sometimes is inaccurate. Linnaeus classed rabbits as ruminants

 

[Subduction Zone]

Gerah, literal Hebrew meaning; used once in the OT, here, "As scraping the throat ". Alah, common word with many meanings, including, raise, rise, lift up, ascend etc.

For the uninformed keyboard scholar, Strongs is the final authority on Hebrew translations, it isn't. Many seminary's don't use it because it sometimes is inaccurate. Linnaeus classed rabbits as ruminants

Linnaeus may have made that error, so what? He, like the writers of the Bible, was just a man and prone to error at times. Are you now admitting that there are at least minor errors in the Bible?

 

[shmogie]

There is no "the Christian lifestyle". Since there are countless different interpretations of his teachings there are countless Christian lifestyles. Please note on the subject of homosexuality he was silent.

Who was silent ? Me, very simple, Paul is clear on the matter, and linguistic shenanigans are just that, he is clear. Christ ? He was silent on pedophelia, left handed nazi's, and boomerangs, so what ?

He was a Jew, and followed the law perfectly. Go to Leviticus, the Torah, the law and it says what he followed.

the writings and practice of the Apostolic and immediate post Apostolic churches is clear.

There is only one Christian lifestyle, it is defined very clearly and is unambiguous. Variations are based upon the needs of people, not the stated will of God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who was silent ? Me, very simple, Paul is clear on the matter, and linguistic shenanigans are just that, he is clear. Christ ? He was silent on pedophelia, left handed nazi's, and boomerangs, so what ?

He was a Jew, and followed the law perfectly. Go to Leviticus, the Torah, the law and it says what he followed.

the writings and practice of the Apostolic and immediate post Apostolic churches is clear.

There is only one Christian lifestyle, it is defined very clearly and is unambiguous. Variations are based upon the needs of people, not the stated will of God.

Christ was silent. Paul had opinions on all sorts of things and when it came to sex he was not the most sane individual.

I see that you are having trouble being honest again and are simply using the Bible to support your hatred of others. That is not a very Christian activity now is it?

Where is this supposed clear and unambiguous definition of a Christian lifestyle? Paul is a terrible source since he never met the man. I am betting that you simply take verses out of context to support your own prejudices.

 

[shmogie]

Christ was silent. Paul had opinions on all sorts of things and when it came to sex he was not the most sane individual.

I see that you are having trouble being honest again and are simply using the Bible to support your hatred of others. That is not a very Christian activity now is it?

Where is this supposed clear and unambiguous definition of a Christian lifestyle? Paul is a terrible source since he never met the man. I am betting that you simply take verses out of context to support your own prejudices.

You are so full of BS I am surprised you can even walk around. I have posted many times on this subject, and your extrapolations and projections are inane.

Once again, your innuendo's and accusations have earned you no further responses from me.

I have discussed the matter at length with others that hold a different view. They were respectful, enlightening, and usually they were surprised at what was the actual NT stand on the issue. I won't waste my time on you, because you are prejudiced, come to a discussion hell bent on accusation from your point of view, make no pretense of having an open mind, and fancy yourself a Biblical scholar, when you may have read it once in your youth. Like most in the atheist/humanist camp, you like a parrot repeat what you have been told.

Christ did say how to respond to the likes of you " do not cast pearls before swine"

No more pearls thrown to you. Your only interest is slobbering insults and pejorative accusations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are so full of BS I am surprised you can even walk around. I have posted many times on this subject, and your extrapolations and projections are inane.

Once again, your innuendo's and accusations have earned you no further responses from me.

I have discussed the matter at length with others that hold a different view. They were respectful, enlightening, and usually they were surprised at what was the actual NT stand on the issue. I won't waste my time on you, because you are prejudiced, come to a discussion hell bent on accusation from your point of view, make no pretense of having an open mind, and fancy yourself a Biblical scholar, when you may have read it once in your youth. Like most in the atheist/humanist camp, you like a parrot repeat what you have been told.

Christ did say how to respond to the likes of you " do not cast pearls before swine"

No more pearls thrown to you. Your only interest is slobbering insults and pejorative accusations.

Oh my! Such projection. You make claims and then can't support them. Pointing out the flaws in your arguments are not insults or pejorative accusations. Please note, I can at least support my claims when I make them. You make claims are run away when challenged. You overrate your own education and cannot deal with the fact that the Bible is loaded with flaws.

Please note, I asked a long time ago if you could be honest. You did not even try to answer. It appears that you knew the answer.

 

[Skwim]

Gerah, literal Hebrew meaning; used once in the OT, here, "As scraping the throat ". Alah, common word with many meanings, including, raise, rise, lift up, ascend etc.

Irrelevant.

Linnaeus classed rabbits as ruminants

Linnaeus classified a lot of things much differently than we now do. He even classified bats with the primates; monkeys, apes and you.


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[shmogie]

Irrelevant.


Linnaeus classified a lot of things much differently than we now do. He even classified bats with the primates; monkeys, apes and you.


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Irrelevant ? Why, because it conflicts with your statement on the issue.? Hmmmm, does that means he classified you with parrots ?

 

[shmogie]

Oh my! Such projection. You make claims and then can't support them. Pointing out the flaws in your arguments are not insults or pejorative accusations. Please note, I can at least support my claims when I make them. You make claims are run away when challenged. You overrate your own education and cannot deal with the fact that the Bible is loaded with flaws.

Please note, I asked a long time ago if you could be honest. You did not even try to answer. It appears that you knew the answer.

LOL, are you joking ? What claims have I made ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL, are you joking ? What claims have I made ?

Wow! Memory problems too, and with the posts right there. How about the on about a "the Christian lifestlye" (bolding mine). I asked you to support that claim and you ran away. Also for someone that complains about supposed insults you sure do spew out quite a few of your own.

 

[Skwim]

Irrelevant ? Why, because it conflicts with your statement on the issue.? Hmmmm, does that means he classified you with parrots ?

Not about to hold your hand through this. Again, if you need aid in understanding perhaps someone here will help you out.

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[shmogie]

Not about to hold your hand through this. Again, if you need aid in understanding perhaps someone here will help you out.

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How cute. A new technique for scuttling away. Those who need help are the ones who pontificate from a position of ignorance, thinking their pointifications are based on fact. A particular illness of atheists when speaking of all things Biblical, like you. If you need a simple reading list, let me know. Then, you won't just speak like you know something, you might actually know something.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How cute. A new technique for scuttling away. Those who need help are the ones who pontificate from a position of ignorance, thinking their pointifications are based on fact. A particular illness of atheists when speaking of all things Biblical, like you. If you need a simple reading list, let me know. Then, you won't just speak like you know something, you might actually know something.

Seems to me that he supported his claims with valid sources where you just said "Nah ah" and thought that was a refutation. He is not the one that has been running away.

 

[shmogie]

Wow! Memory problems too, and with the posts right there. How about the on about a "the Christian lifestlye" (bolding mine). I asked you to support that claim and you ran away. Also for someone that complains about supposed insults you sure do spew out quite a few of your own.

LOL, you didn't ASK me to do anything. You, in your mantle of authority, said the term meant many things to many people, ergo, regardless of anything I said I was just one of many people. You posit questions, clothed in a strawman, not worth responding to.

Insults, hmmmmmm . When one shows them to be their lingua franca, I choose to respond in the same language , else how else could you understand ?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

@Subduction Zone you make a most excellent point about Paul never having met Jesus, and on this subject- I do think that fact is very relevant.

IMO, the prejudices have a lot to do with Paul's personality and dispositions- bearing in mind he murdered people.

 

[shmogie]

Seems to me that he supported his claims with valid sources where you just said "Nah ah" and thought that was a refutation. He is not the one that has been running away.

NO, his support was from one source he quickly grabbed off the internet. That isn't research, that isn't knowledge.

You haven't ASKED in respectful manner, one specific question. You spew ignorance masquerading as knowledge, then demand non specific answers about your nonsense.

Attempting to respond to hyperbolic, truly bizarre , ignorant rants is not my responsibility.

So,rant away, insult away, continue as the disciple of dullardism.................. it's all the same to me.

Come back when you can make a specific, non preloaded, reasonable statement that might have some meaning. Then I might enlighten you. Otherwise, rave on,