God's Plan

[Madhuri]

As to whether or not one must accept Christ, why do you think anyone would reject him? Besides, we reject or accept him by how well we live our lives.

Could you expand on this? What do you mean about rejecting and accepting based on how we live? Do you mean if we are good people?

When I say reject in this context I mean rejecting Jesus as one's saviour or even as being a real personality. Most people in the world and throughout history have rejected him. But if you mean the principles brought forward by Jesus then many people accept it. Specifically because most religions hold similar morals and principles.

 

[Madhuri]

Sorry about the slow posts. I'm currently learning a new keyboard layout.

That's fine, I've been on and off the site all day
Thank you for dedicating time to answering my questions!

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

Could you expand on this? What do you mean about rejecting and accepting based on how we live? Do you mean if we are good people?

When I say reject in this context I mean rejecting Jesus as one's saviour or even as being a real personality. Most people in the world and throughout history have rejected him. But if you mean the principles brought forward by Jesus then many people accept it. Specifically because most religions hold similar morals and principles.

Do you believe that it would be just to condemn someone just based on their honest beliefs? Besides, if Jesus really lives (as I of course believe), doesn't it make sense that one day you will have a chance to meet him for yourself and find out who he really is? Why would anyone reject him? At that time it will be of far more importance what kind of person you have become than what religion you belonged to on earth. I think a lot of self proclaimed Christians are going to be in for a big wakeup call.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

Do you believe that it would be just to condemn someone just based on their honest beliefs? Besides, if Jesus really lives (as I of course believe), doesn't it make sense that one day you will have a chance to meet him for yourself and find out who he really is? Why would anyone reject him? At that time it will be of far more importance what kind of person you have become than what religion you belonged to on earth. I think a lot of self proclaimed Christians are going to be in for a big wakeup call.

This is what the whole gospel of Jesus Christ is about in my opinion, helping us transform into beings of light that will be able to abide the glory of God. It is specifically to help and enable us to become like God.

 

[Madhuri]

Do you believe that it would be just to condemn someone just based on their honest beliefs? Besides, if Jesus really lives (as I of course believe), doesn't it make sense that one day you will have a chance to meet him for yourself and find out who he really is? Why would anyone reject him? At that time it will be of far more importance what kind of person you have become than what religion you belonged to on earth. I think a lot of self proclaimed Christians are going to be in for a big wakeup call.

I think I like you perspective! :yes:

 

[Madhuri]

This is what the whole gospel of Jesus Christ is about in my opinion, helping us transform into beings of light that will be able to abide the glory of God. It is specifically to help and enable us to become like God.

This is very similar to what I believe. Just different terms and ways of thinking about it I guess.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

This is very similar to what I believe. Just different terms and ways of thinking about it I guess.

Cool. I find it fascinating that the beliefs of people from completely different backgrounds can be very similar. It would seem to me that those who seek truth will recognize it wherever they may encounter it.

 

[Madhuri]

I agree!

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

I agree!

You know what? I'm going to have to take a closer look at Hinduism. The more I learn about it, the more I find it compelling.

 

[Madhuri]

You know what? I'm going to have to take a closer look at Hinduism. The more I learn about it, the more I find it compelling.

It is a very complicated religion. Note that just like Christianity there are many branches and various ideas.
The Hindus on this site are all very knowledgeable and intelligent so if you have questions you are likely to get very good answers on this board.

 

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[lockyfan]

So to clarify, God planned for some humans to live on this earth after many, many years of unnecessary corruption and suffering and delusion? Or was it necessary?

No the original purpose was for ALL humans to live forever.

Satan then chose for himself that he would b a better ruler than God and then caused Adam and eve to sin by tricking eve into believing she could be like God in knowing the idfference between good and evil then she influenced Adam and then sin and death pass on to us.

God has allowed Satan to rule this world now for a little while because Satan challenged his leadership and if he hadn't allowed it and decided to start again then another angel could have raised the same questions and it wouldj ust be a repat after repat, so wisely God allowed the world to continue, but provided us the bible so that we can learn who he is and what he wants so that we can attain the repentance for our sins and put faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus for our sins and eventually live forever. IF you CHOOSE to do so with YOUR free will.

 

[Madhuri]

No the original purpose was for ALL humans to live forever.

Satan then chose for himself that he would b a better ruler than God and then caused Adam and eve to sin by tricking eve into believing she could be like God in knowing the idfference between good and evil then she influenced Adam and then sin and death pass on to us.

God has allowed Satan to rule this world now for a little while because Satan challenged his leadership and if he hadn't allowed it and decided to start again then another angel could have raised the same questions and it wouldj ust be a repat after repat, so wisely God allowed the world to continue, but provided us the bible so that we can learn who he is and what he wants so that we can attain the repentance for our sins and put faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus for our sins and eventually live forever. IF you CHOOSE to do so with YOUR free will.

God didn't have to let Satan do that and instead has allowed the majority of humans who ever lived and will ever live to be influenced by 'evil' and go to hell of eternity. this could have all been easily prevented by God if that were his intention or desire. And anyway, don't most Christians these days reject the idea of free will?

 

[lockyfan]

There wasnt just humans involved. there was a whole race of Angels who were watching in heaven. He let the rebellious angel Satan to rule now so that it was a precedent set again.

Also Jehovah has promised to resurrect the dead back to life, during the 1000 year reign of Christ.

there is no such place as hell. There is not eternal torment of fire. He will ressurect those who were influenced by satans evil so that they can learn His ways and then will judge them on their merrits.

the bible says that the wages sin pays is death and that after death there is no rememberance of them. So if there was a place of eternal torment like hell that would then make those two scriptures a lie and God can not lie, but Satan who is the "father of the lie" can!

 

[Madhuri]

There wasnt just humans involved. there was a whole race of Angels who were watching in heaven. He let the rebellious angel Satan to rule now so that it was a precedent set again.

Also Jehovah has promised to resurrect the dead back to life, during the 1000 year reign of Christ.

there is no such place as hell. There is not eternal torment of fire. He will ressurect those who were influenced by satans evil so that they can learn His ways and then will judge them on their merrits.

the bible says that the wages sin pays is death and that after death there is no rememberance of them. So if there was a place of eternal torment like hell that would then make those two scriptures a lie and God can not lie, but Satan who is the "father of the lie" can!

So why then do most Christians, Jews and Muslims believe in hell? Why do most Christians believe in eternal damnation?

 

[lockyfan]

So why then do most Christians, Jews and Muslims believe in hell? Why do most Christians believe in eternal damnation?

Jews executed Christ.

Muslims do not belive in the bible they believe in the Koran

Because the "main religions"of today or "Christendom" are based on the foundations of one church, back in the times of Rome. That church was originally started as an opposition to the the Christians that actually followed christ back then. (it is in their own encyclopedia on the foundations of the church itself) These Chrisitans were Burnt as Torches in those days. Then the Apostacy set in.

2 Thes: 2:3-5
Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god. Do YOU not remember that, while I was yet with YOU, I used to tell YOU these things?

So the beliefs of one chirch melded into another and false doctrines and Pagan beliefs (hellfire, eternal judgement in hellfire, purgatory, Trinity) all set in, yet none of these are actually supported in the bible.

It is all a total load of BUNKUM.

 

[Katzpur]

My only problem with this explanation is that the bible does not give NEAR enough info to conclude what you are concluding. You simply have to leave the bible to fill those gaps.

Yes, it does, and yes, you do.

Once you leave the bible, is it still Christianity?

There's no biblical reason why it would not still be Christianity. The Bible has never claimed to be a complete record of God's words to us. Mormonism does fill in those gaps. It fills them in in such a way that there is no contradiction between what was already said (in the Bible) and what is said elsewhere (the Book of Mormon and continuing revelation). Trouble is, too many people insist that everything God ever wanted to know is found within the pages of a book compiled, transcribed and translated hundreds of times, over several thousand years by human hands. They refuse to even consider any other possibility.

 

[Katzpur]

God didn't have to let Satan do that and instead has allowed the majority of humans who ever lived and will ever live to be influenced by 'evil' and go to hell of eternity. this could have all been easily prevented by God if that were his intention or desire.

You're right, but that wasn't God's intention or desire.

And anyway, don't most Christians these days reject the idea of free will?

Do they? If that's the case, it comes as news to me.

 

[lockyfan]

Yes, it does, and yes, you do.

There's no biblical reason why it would not still be Christianity. The Bible has never claimed to be a complete record of God's words to us. Mormonism does fill in those gaps. It fills them in in such a way that there is no contradiction between what was already said (in the Bible) and what is said elsewhere (the Book of Mormon and continuing revelation). Trouble is, too many people insist that everything God ever wanted to know is found within the pages of a book compiled, transcribed and translated hundreds of times, over several thousand years by human hands. They refuse to even consider any other possibility.

The bible tells us NOT to add to it/subtract or change it. At the END of REVELATION

It also tells us that there would be a time when things are stopped. Such as the revelations and speaking in tongues and things like that

The bible also forewarns us that Satan can make himself appear as an angel of light. So sorry if i sound just a little pessimistic on the ground of the mormon bible being from God, with those things I have stated.


Also No God did not want evil to be in the world but once a challenge was made He had to allow time to let it play out.

Also He provided the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ and made a prophesy right there in the Garden of Eden at Genesis 3:15, saying that the "serpent" who was satan would be destroyed by the "seed" of the "woman" Not the literal woman or female human but the seed of God's heavenly organisation. this seed being Jesus.

 

[Katzpur]

The bible tells us NOT to add to it/subtract or change it. At the END of REVELATION

No, it doesn't. In the book of Revelation, we are told not to add to it. There was no Bible when the book of Revelation was written. Besides, there is a difference between man adding to God's word and God adding to His own word.

It also tells us that there would be a time when things are stopped. Such as the revelations and speaking in tongues and things like that

Wrong again. Jesus Christ intended that His Church remain unchanged until His return.

The bible also forewarns us that Satan can make himself appear as an angel of light. So sorry if i sound just a little pessimistic on the ground of the mormon bible being from God, with those things I have stated.

I wouldn't say you sounded pessimistic, just uninformed. Mormons use the same Bible as the rest of Christians. Our preferred version is the KJV.

Also No God did not want evil to be in the world but once a challenge was made He had to allow time to let it play out.

I disagree. Adam and Eve would never had been able to progress without the mortal experience, which involves being exposed to both good and evil.

Also He provided the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ and made a prophesy right there in the Garden of Eden at Genesis 3:15, saying that the "serpent" who was satan would be destroyed by the "seed" of the "woman" Not the literal woman or female human but the seed of God's heavenly organisation. this seed being Jesus.

You lost me there.