God's rotation around the sun !!!?

[j1i]

I am not certain that earth rotates around the sun, because we have no solid proof for it.

The OP is opining about a monotheistic god, of which, the Islamic god is the most unbending.

One question i think missing here is "what is God" Does exist creating Gods? is God a figur or energy?

You seem to feel that creation is separate and set aside from God. Not everyone believes that. Some believe that God is omnipresent. God is everywhere and all things.

Still what do we know about God? Who are we to say what God is and does or would not do? The certainty of being right about God seems a common folly of humans.

If God can do anything
Leave me alone
I will pray to God to make me god with him
I will leave from this day the site and i will go to the mountain to pray there and say, make me God
Millions will be active and go to pray to become God
Here God will be puzzled by His order

please god
I will do whatever you want, God, make me God
This is ridiculous

sorry but I want show how this not illogical like an arms race

Everyone wants to become a god
From today I do not believe in the gospel or the Bible that with you

Sorry I do not mean annoyance but my thoughts are beautiful and quiet and reflect the extent of cultural civilization high and prestigious

 

[Segev Moran]

Does the earth's rotation around the sun make us certain that all who live on earth are not God

I mean in sequence of events how the main source (GOD) is dependent on the creature

I think we do not know what the true meaning of God word is

With all due respect and appreciation

Representing God does not mean you are God or even "touched" by God.
It simply means you try and tell people what God ways are.

IMO most of the people who "represent" God are sharletans, only a few really do it without a selfish agenda.
God have no dependency on anything. this will pretty much contradict the idea of God (based on the Jewish beliefs at least)
The meaning of the Word God is simply a word to describe what we refer to as a single force that governs our existence.
Each one interprets it based on what he believes, but there is an overall common agreements on the main things.
God is not a character! people keep imagining God as a figure that speaks and waves its hands doing magic tricks. this is as far as it gets from the Jewish description of God's ways.

In a nut shell, God is not something we can really describe. you can think of it as a force with intelligence
Intelligence here is also confusing as it is not a brain and a neural network as we have, it is more of an awareness and ability to transform and change reality by will.
This is the uniqueness of humans, we are the only creatures who share the same ability. We can change our reality by will. (this is the meaning of making Man in its image).

God is not a physical thing. it is not bound to earth, sun or any other star.
God is what holds everything in place and what "motivates" everything to act as it does. this, as an idea, is also true regarding living being and not only still things.

 

[Joel1]

Well to begin with this question, we have to define who God is. For me, coming from a Christian standpoint God is an all powerful being who created the universe and all that is in it. God is all powerful, all knowing, and every where at the same time. He is also not just a singular being but is a trinity. This trinity is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holly Spirit. But even though they are three different things, they are still all one. Does this make sense? And may I ask where your coming from on this?

 

[Spirit of Light]

When we start counting we start counting from one
The origin of existence began from the one
When you look at the timeline we will stand billions of years and before that, will find that you will eventually stand at one
one is that is the power that gives life and takes it

Why do not there be two leaders for each state at the same time

In my understanding of the heavenly realm, there is countless Gods, Buddhas and Daos, but when Christians or Jews or Muslims talk about one God it means the god who taught the path to salvation.
For buddhists it is Buddha Sakyamuni who taught the path to nirvana. That does not mean it is the same God as in Christianity or Islam or Jewism

 

[Cooky]

Who created the heavens and the earth
All these areas are vast
Just ask, I do not mean abuse. I apologize

But I only wondered how the heavens were created and scientifically we could not calculate the size of the universe

How will GOD will live in a drop (planet) of ocean

with respect

Shape shifting.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Wha...?

 

[LuisDantas]

Does the earth's rotation around the sun make us certain that all who live on earth are not God

I mean in sequence of events how the main source (GOD) is dependent on the creature

I think we do not know what the true meaning of God word is

With all due respect and appreciation

Hi, @j1i

First of all, thanks and congratulations for your remarkably ellegant and very respectful writing.

Yours is, to the best of my understanding, a very classically Muslim conception of God. I hope that it serves you well, as it seems to serve so many people.

All the same, since you chose to create this thread in the Religious Debates area, please allow me to ask you how typical of people in general do you expect that conception to be.

To the best of my understanding, the idea of God as the Creator of Existence, while central to Islaam and at least arguably to Judaism and Christianity as well, is by no means a particularly natural take on the idea. I also think that it poses very significant problems from a practical perspective, even for its main purpose.

A very significant problem among those is the very insistence on proposing the existence of a Creator Will for existence itself (which is by no means a given or a known fact, despite the claims of many) composed with the claim that such a Will should be perceived with a sense of reverence and even worship.

I acknowledge that for many people that is not at all an exotic proposal, but neither is it the necessary, even default belief that so many people seem to mistake it with. Nor do I think it is very useful or advisable from a religious perspective. Last and perhaps least, it is also not very convincing from an epistemological perspective - which is to say, such a God it is not very likely to actually exist.

 

[Joel1]

That is true that there are multiple religions and each religion has its own god, but, each of these religions have their own creation stories. And if you believe that there are multiple gods then which creation story is true. for there is only one world here to have been created. and they could not all have done it as each account is diferent.

 

[viole]

Who created the heavens and the earth
All these areas are vast
Just ask, I do not mean abuse. I apologize

But I only wondered how the heavens were created and scientifically we could not calculate the size of the universe

How will GOD will live in a drop (planet) of ocean

with respect

Well, He is omnipotent, is He not?

So, if He wants I am sure He can use earth as a merry go round.

Ciao

- viole

 

[j1i]

Well, He is omnipotent, is He not?

So, if He wants I am sure He can use earth as a merry go round.

Ciao

- viole

Welcome my dear sister
I want to point out something
We are human for each age group having specific activity and interest
Children are looking for activities in which to play
And adults use the tools of science to build civilizations and some to destroy them
And older people are interested in low activities with little mobility


From the picture you show in you profile that you are 20 years old. The right activity for you is running and traveling

god bless you

 

[viole]

Welcome my dear sister
I want to point out something
We are human for each age group having specific activity and interest
Children are looking for activities in which to play
And adults use the tools of science to build civilizations and some to destroy them
And older people are interested in low activities with little mobility


From the picture you show in you profile that you are 20 years old. The right activity for you is running and traveling

god bless you

Yes, I agree I look 20. And one of my favorite hobbies is also to rotate around the sun. Well, it’ more like a wobbling at this time of the year in North Sweden.

Ciao

- viole

 

[j1i]

Hi, @j1i

First of all, thanks and congratulations for your remarkably ellegant and very respectful writing.

Yours is, to the best of my understanding, a very classically Muslim conception of God. I hope that it serves you well, as it seems to serve so many people.

All the same, since you chose to create this thread in the Religious Debates area, please allow me to ask you how typical of people in general do you expect that conception to be.

To the best of my understanding, the idea of God as the Creator of Existence, while central to Islaam and at least arguably to Judaism and Christianity as well, is by no means a particularly natural take on the idea. I also think that it poses very significant problems from a practical perspective, even for its main purpose.

A very significant problem among those is the very insistence on proposing the existence of a Creator Will for existence itself (which is by no means a given or a known fact, despite the claims of many) composed with the claim that such a Will should be perceived with a sense of reverence and even worship.

I acknowledge that for many people that is not at all an exotic proposal, but neither is it the necessary, even default belief that so many people seem to mistake it with. Nor do I think it is very useful or advisable from a religious perspective. Last and perhaps least, it is also not very convincing from an epistemological perspective - which is to say, such a God it is not very likely to actually exist.

Thank you brother and for your kind writing

There are things we have to agree on
The human body has a normal temperature of 37 Celsius and lives in the midst of limited conditions and on Earth only now

Now we are all in agreement on this simple truth, the human temperature because we feel it

There is a fact that exists, about God but we have not agreed upon it
This is because the absence of tools is not only materialist science tool but other tools

Are our souls good or evil?
Is it clean or dirty
I believe that a person who loves to do goodness, charity and purity will see the facts and truths approaching him
While the aggressors and those who do foolishness are not easy to find the facts and truths

The first way for Muslims to call for Islam is to do the deeds of virtue
3:92. You will not attain virtuous conduct until you give of what you cherish. Whatever you give away, God is aware of it.

When God created Paradise
He said
people who Stinginess will not be my neighbor
he mean the most who gives is the closest to God

I am not promoting Islamic understanding
But to clarify beautiful ways of communicating and laying the groundwork for humanitarian understanding
Is to give


Since the normal human temperature of 37 has not changed
How does the concept of God change over time?
Especially from the conversion of faith in Abraham and Moses to after Jesus 300 years
And what is the situation of those who emigrated from the Levant and did not return
They believed in the thought that God is one
There is injustice and racism by divine (god) !!!?
Because they took teachings from reliable sources of God messengers and got promised to be fine And successful in faith in god without trinity or avatars
Then they were surprised that these teachings were different and contradictory
We must also note this

GOD bless you

 

[j1i]

Representing God does not mean you are God or even "touched" by God.
It simply means you try and tell people what God ways are.

IMO most of the people who "represent" God are sharletans, only a few really do it without a selfish agenda.
God have no dependency on anything. this will pretty much contradict the idea of God (based on the Jewish beliefs at least)
The meaning of the Word God is simply a word to describe what we refer to as a single force that governs our existence.
Each one interprets it based on what he believes, but there is an overall common agreements on the main things.
God is not a character! people keep imagining God as a figure that speaks and waves its hands doing magic tricks. this is as far as it gets from the Jewish description of God's ways.

In a nut shell, God is not something we can really describe. you can think of it as a force with intelligence
Intelligence here is also confusing as it is not a brain and a neural network as we have, it is more of an awareness and ability to transform and change reality by will.
This is the uniqueness of humans, we are the only creatures who share the same ability. We can change our reality by will. (this is the meaning of making Man in its image).

God is not a physical thing. it is not bound to earth, sun or any other star.
God is what holds everything in place and what "motivates" everything to act as it does. this, as an idea, is also true regarding living being and not only still things.

In my understanding of the heavenly realm, there is countless Gods, Buddhas and Daos, but when Christians or Jews or Muslims talk about one God it means the god who taught the path to salvation.
For buddhists it is Buddha Sakyamuni who taught the path to nirvana. That does not mean it is the same God as in Christianity or Islam or Jewism

That is true that there are multiple religions and each religion has its own god, but, each of these religions have their own creation stories. And if you believe that there are multiple gods then which creation story is true. for there is only one world here to have been created. and they could not all have done it as each account is diferent.

Wha...?

thanks all for sharing (^_^)

 

[j1i]

Yes, I agree I look 20. And one of my favorite hobbies is also to rotate around the sun. Well, it’ more like a wobbling at this time of the year in North Sweden.

Ciao

- viole

The prisoner is inside the prison should revolve around the sun
Northern Sweden, such as solitary confinement (Solitude) away from biodiversity and happiness

Let's me discover and enjoy

 

[Salvador]

Does the earth's rotation around the sun make us certain that all who live on earth are not God

I mean in sequence of events how the main source (GOD) is dependent on the creature

I think we do not know what the true meaning of God word is

With all due respect and appreciation

Scientists are now just highly evolved enough to realize extraterrestrial intelligence has indeed left its mark in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s)with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.

The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure.

Reference: Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209
"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties

Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our world leaders to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

 

[Firemorphic]

Oh, so you are saying that no one living on earth can be a god, even though some people think differently?

Lol

 

[Salvador]

Well to begin with this question, we have to define who God is. For me, coming from a Christian standpoint God is an all powerful being who created the universe and all that is in it. God is all powerful, all knowing, and every where at the same time. He is also not just a singular being but is a trinity. This trinity is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holly Spirit. But even though they are three different things, they are still all one. Does this make sense? And may I ask where your coming from on this?

As I've noted elsewhere in some other discussions about Christianity, Jesus's family tree has a time span of 77 generations listed between his generation and Adam whom the Bible claims was the "first man" and Eve whom the Bible alleges was the mother of everybody. Reference: (Luke 3:23-38) (Genesis 3:20)

However, the Australian aborigines have evidently been in Australia for over a thousand consecutive generations. Reference: Aboriginal Australians - Wikipedia

There have been hundreds of generations of Native Americans between the time their common ancestry migrated from Asia until the time of Christ.
Reference: Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia

The Bible falsely claims there were only 77 generations between Christ and the first man; when people have indeed actually existed for thousands of generations, which proves the Bible and Christianity as being false.

Adam as being the first man and perpetrator of "original sin" is an important premise of Christianity. If Adam wasn't the first man, then there isn't actually any "origin sin". Jesus supposedly died on the Cross to save humankind from "original sin". If there isn't any "original sin" from which to be saved, then Jesus Christ's death on the Cross is pretty pointless and meaningless. Evidently, there were many generations of people prior to the 76th generation before Christ spawned by Adam. So then, Adam, Eve and original sin are mythological. There is neither any "first man" nor "original sin" throughout human evolution. Thus, Jesus Christ having died on the cross to save mankind from "original sin" is not reality but is rather quite mythological.

The first individual of the genus Homo-species formed from a couple of Australopithecus hetero zygotes, each of whom had the same type of chromosome rearrangements formed by fusion of the whole long arms of two acrocentric chromosomes, mated together and reproduced viable and fertile offspring with 46 chromosomes.

This first generation of Homo-habilis then incestuously bred with each other and reproduced the next subsequent generation of Homo-habilis.

References:

1. J. Tjio and A. Levan. 1956. The chromosome number of Man. Hereditas, 42( 1-2): 1-6.
2. W. Ijdo et al.1991. Origin of human chromosome 2: an ancestral telomere-telomere fusión. PNAS, 88: 9051-9056.
3. Meyer et al. 2012 A high-coverage genome sequence from an archaic Denisovan individual. Science, 338:222-226.; K. H. Miga. 2016. Chromosome-specific Centromere sequences provide an estímate of the Ancestral Chromosome 2 Fusion event in Hominin Genome.Journ. of Heredity. 1-8. Doi:10.1093/jhered/esw039.

Therefore, the first living breathing human being was never directly formed out of dirt/clay by God/Allah as the Bible/Quran falsely claims.

Former Christians and Ex-Muslims, who have this understanding of how humans precisely evolved , know the Biblical and Islamic tales of Creation are mythological rather than factual.


These myths are the made-up stories of ancient nomadic tribesmen rather than God's word

 

[Firemorphic]

In my understanding of the heavenly realm, there is countless Gods, Buddhas and Daos, but when Christians or Jews or Muslims talk about one God it means the god who taught the path to salvation.

Well, speaking from the point of view of Islam as well as Sanatan Dharma, as well as Judaism. Ontologically, there is only one reality.
Deities are idols, even if (such as in Sanatan Dharma) are used as veils. If there is one reality, then their would logically be one God - whatever name you choose to apply to it, semantically you are stuck describing it through the necessary constraints of the culture your religion (or lack thereof) was born out of.

Separating deities from The One, eternal, without a name - is crucial - else, you might as well be speaking about Cthulhu or the flying spaghetti monster.

 

[Firemorphic]

I DO understand but try thinking about it from this angle. If we claim that god cannot do something, like live as a human being, we are limiting the power of god. In reality, we know nothing about the extents of god's power and ability. In theory, an all powerful god could do ANYTHING it chose to! Who are we to say?

If you're speaking of a superhuman guy that lives up in the clouds (deities), then this would be a reasonable argument that I'd probably agree with on. But the crucial importance in any discussions about "God", is to separate the concept of Deity to the concept of the mono-universal transcendent God, which are like comparing apples with skyscrapers.
Above that, proposing Deity (as in, anthropomorphized "gods") as an existencial reality, poses more major questions. If (like I just said to the other poster) you treat deity (or "idol") as a veil for a transcendent, universal God - then it is a psychological symbol that stands ultimately for the same ontological thing, which is very reasonable (just look at Sanatan Dharma, it works well.)
If you actually believe there are more advanced humanoid thing that lives up in the sky, then you are consequently standing in the doorway between atheism and parody-religions (like Pastafarianism)

 

[YmirGF]

If you're speaking of a superhuman guy that lives up in the clouds (deities), then this would be a reasonable argument that I'd probably agree with on. But the crucial importance in any discussions about "God", is to separate the concept of Deity to the concept of the mono-universal transcendent God, which are like comparing apples with skyscrapers.
Above that, proposing Deity (as in, anthropomorphized "gods") as an existencial reality, poses more major questions. If (like I just said to the other poster) you treat deity (or "idol") as a veil for a transcendent, universal God - then it is a psychological symbol that stands ultimately for the same ontological thing, which is very reasonable (just look at Sanatan Dharma, it works well.)
If you actually believe there are more advanced humanoid thing that lives up in the sky, then you are consequently standing in the doorway between atheism and parody-religions (like Pastafarianism)

Not especially convincing.