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I know that the Temple of Set does not identify as Satanist anymore, but right on, I believe that is what Satan/Set/whatever you want to call him has done."I am within and beyond you, the Highest of Life, in majesty greater than the forces of the Universe; whose eyes are the Face of the Sun and the Dark Fire of Set; who fashioned your intelligence as his own and reached forth to exalt you; who entrusted to you dignity of consiousness; who opened your eyes that you might know beauty; who brought you the key to knowledge of all lesser things; and who enshrined in you the Will to Come Into Being. Lift your voices, then, and recognize the Highest of Life who thus proclaims your triumph; whose being is beyond natural life and death; who came as a flame to your world and enlightened your desire for perfection and truth..."
The Left Hand Path is MUCH more than just embracing destruction. Destruction has it's place, but by no means are these maxims to be followed for one who seeks true progress and not their own deaths. As LaVey said, life is the great indulgence and death is the great abstinence. I choose self-preservation as the ultimate good over death brought about by such ideas. That is, if you take such maxims literally. I greatly hope that you do not actually follow these maxims letter for letter, or else your life will be quite short and have few friends. The only one I can agree with at all is seven, but at that I would add the word "perpetual peace", and put "conflict" in place of war. I can't speak for others, but I see that we shouldn't go out to break every taboo and rule, but only the ones that need breaking. Some taboos are taboo for a very good reason: they can get you killed.This is a simple list of philosophies I hold. Actually doing the things listed is self destructive. Do not read these if you are of a weak mindset.
First - Morality is limiting, smash it!
Second - If it disgusts you, embrace it!
Third - If you are obsessed with it, pursue your obsession!
Forth - If it hurts, seek more of it!
Fifth - Doubt is vile, exalt it!
Sixth - Everyone is a hypocrite!
Seventh - War is growth, peace is stagnation!
Eighth - Anyone can cast off tyranny, defeat the perceived bad guy and walk perfectly upright as a result with no hindrance of motion. Do the opposite! Embrace tyranny as it crushes you to dust!
Ninth - What we call self is a lie, destroy it!
Other than information, yes, actually they do. There is documented cases of rape and self mutilation in the animal kingdom. Birds will pluck out their own feathers, and a certain species of duck are known to be rapists, and in one supposed case even raped a corpse (the scientist saw it out of his window but had no direct proof other than his own account).Do animals in nature purposely inflict pain (torture) to obtain information, power or pleasure? Humans do.
This is how I view it, in terms of Satanic Left Hand Path, with Satan being an arch-type for the human being collectively, both a destroyer and a creator, both loving and hating. Negative emotions are just as natural as positive ones, and by denying ourselves either side, we are making ourselves ill. A god being completely evil and destructive all the time or completely good and loving all the time is just absurd to me. Nothing is as black and white like that, why would the gods be so black and white if our world is not? Because the world is fallen? HA! The fact is that the world is chaotic, and instead of trying to make a moral and static code about it, the Left Hand Path embraces the chaos that is part of the Universe. (the part about a fallen world and how it relates I will get to in a bit)LHP go against the social flow....society goes against nature so LHP flow with nature?
Whoa, where to start?
I know that the Temple of Set does not identify as Satanist anymore, but right on, I believe that is what Satan/Set/whatever you want to call him has done.
Whoa, where to start?
but by no means are these maxims to be followed for one who seeks true progress and not their own deaths. As LaVey said, life is the great indulgence and death is the great abstinence.
LHP go against the social flow....society goes against nature so LHP flow with nature?
Death is an illusion, the engineering tolerance of a biological mainframe. The software that breaks free of the hardware simply returns to Set.
So you do not consider yourself as having an individual conciousness, then? And you believe (for the moment) that Set is a name for the Universal Mind, or something like that?
What is the point of individual consciousness? Locality and nothing more. All identity is dual-state as long as there is time. In the eternal now, Judith is the locality of body, Set the locality of mind. In my limited experience using the identifier Setian, I have heard of no compulsion to define Set in any single doctrine or dogma; but rather to maximize the conception of Set at the individual level for personal growth.
An active faith, if you will.
How would you define "personal growth" without the concept of individual Self-Consciousness?
Xeper.
/Adramelek\
How would you define "personal growth" without the concept of individual Self-Consciousness?
Xeper.
/Adramelek\
Locality.
The Great Wave off Kanagawa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ever see this picture? How some fingers of the wave are ahead of the swell? There we are. One of those fingers is Judith, one of those fingers is Adramelek; and the sheep are being carried along by the tide.
So shouldn't you individually want to be ahead of the swell? That would be individual consciousness to make sure you are in front, whether others are or not. With a group consciousness we would all simply be the ocean, all equal and working with each other. Does this not defeat the purpose of the LHP?
The collective consciousness is a given supported by mathematics and psychology; I mean, as far as I know.
So I'm not quite following what you are saying. It could be that my perception has always been mathematical, and that many people simply do not think in those terms. Locality prevents us from being fully aware of the collective consciousness, gives us the sense of individuality; as individuals we do the best we can with what we have.
Consider this. The HTML states "dark orange," but there is a single hexadecimal representation. But are any two people going to witness the same color? Not exactly.
maybe its more like multiple personalities.... or like a many headed hydra.A collective consciousness, or a higher state of consciousness that is shared? A collective consciousness would suggest that we are not individuals, and individuality is simply an illusion. It may also suggest that we are nothing that a hive mind, all bound to each other, and therefore eliminating free will. If you mean a higher state of consciousness that is shared, that would mean that we are here, now, and must individually advance spiritually to a higher level where we become One with the All.
A collective consciousness, or a higher state of consciousness that is shared? A collective consciousness would suggest that we are not individuals, and individuality is simply an illusion. It may also suggest that we are nothing that a hive mind, all bound to each other, and therefore eliminating free will. If you mean a higher state of consciousness that is shared, that would mean that we are here, now, and must individually advance spiritually to a higher level where we become One with the All.
We might BECOME a hive mind, you never know. Technology is our evolutionary path.
We might BECOME a hive mind, you never know. Technology is our evolutionary path.
Technology is only important in this current state or existence, for these temporal lives. Spiritual advancement is more important than technological advancement.
Technology is only important in this current state or existence, for these temporal lives. Spiritual advancement is more important than technological advancement.