Good news ... finally they start censoring the internet

[stvdv]

Good news ... finally they start censoring the internet

Taking out allegedly "fake news" (hopefully they are honest, and don't take out true facts)
The reason they finally do this now, is because it messes up their plans with 'fighting covid-19'
Would have been nice, if we would not have needed covid-19 to do this; but better late than never

One could say that "Freedom of Speech" is targeted, but it's fake new "lies" is also messy

What you think? Are you happy that they clean up the internet?
Do you fear that this will impact our "Freedom of Speech"?
You trust them to do an honest cleaning job?

Interesting fact: this proves they fully control internet data

Just 2 min: Social media (fb etc) have to clean up fake news OR pay big $$

 

[stvdv]

I am glad they clean up the internet, and take out "fake news".
Would make searching a lot easier

I am not sure IF I can trust them to take only out fake news
Thinking of China censoring news, I hope they do a more truthful job

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How does Britain define free speech?

I know in the U.S. free speech also includes opinions against the government and other controversial opinions that can't be attacked as opinions unless they promote harm or predictive of an illegal activity etc (like what you see in many websites like RF when it comes to reporting material). Unfortunately, people are posting COVID info but I see a problem with that from U.S. standards given, unless they are acting as an authorized party, I'm sure Americans would figure out opinions vs. fact. So, it doesn't sound like it's concerned about freedom of speech but a means to decrease protests etc. But I assume if the COVID thing is over, they would come back...

What about in Britain?

 

[stvdv]

How does Britain define free speech?

I don't know, Google gave this:

Under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998, “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” in the UK. But the law states that this freedom “may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society”.

But I assume if the COVID thing is over, they would come back...

I would not be too sure about that ... the "new normal" idea ... comes to mind
But anyway, I would be glad if they could filter out ALL fake news and ALL lies
And IF they can THEN I hope they continue this, even IF Covid thing is gone

 

[SomeRandom]

Well freedom of speech is not freedom to a platform, I suppose.
And many people do get their information strictly from the web these days. So I get why the “crackdown” is happening.

 

[stvdv]

Well freedom of speech is not freedom to a platform, I suppose.
And many people do get their information strictly from the web these days. So I get why the “crackdown” is happening.

That is an interesting idea.

I have been listening to London Real a few month ago, and they had the problem to get their YouTube interviews removed; their private site Data is not removed

Personally I think Governments should not remove personal platforms. Like Freedom of Religion; free to create our own religion, as long as we don't hurt others.

Of course YouTube and FaceBook and WhatsApp also started small, what to do when personal platforms become HUGE?

Interesting. Maybe it would be nice one could select or deselect some big platforms, so that Google excludes these when you google privately.

When censoring too much is also dangerous, easily we can become like China (I mean people in power are all same, skin color doesn't change that)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I hate social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Tik Tok for various reasons, especially the harmful psychological effects of it and the out of control bullying that happens. So they do need to be held accountable for certain things. Facebook and Google should be broken up, honestly. But at the same time, government censorship is always alarming. I'd rather have First Amendment protections than not, even if it's problematic. The UK and much of Western Europe has become increasingly authoritarian in some respects.

I notice that those pushing for censorship always like to use the "for the sake of the children" bs argument. Young children shouldn't even be on those sites, anyway. A few months ago, a guy livestreamed his suicide on Facebook and it went viral. One of the places it ended up was Tik Tok and some parent was pissed over their 9 year old stumbling across it. But what I want to know is who the hell is dumb enough to let their 9 year old be on Tik Tok in the first place? At some point, people must take responsibility for their own children and stop expecting the government to be a nanny. Monitor your kid's Internet usage and install filters. Don't let your young kids have smartphones. Actually be a parent and use common sense.

 

[Kenny]

I am glad they clean up the internet, and take out "fake news".
Would make searching a lot easier

I am not sure IF I can trust them to take only out fake news
Thinking of China censoring news, I hope they do a more truthful job

I think that is the problem. Who decides what is "fake"? Some are obvious, yes! But others can be classified as a hindrance to free speech. Whoever hold the strings holds the decision.

I think on the long run... it will be a mess. Eventually, like China, you filter out true news.

I remember the intercepted phone call by CNN where they purposefully killed the Biden computer story and said "It is fake news by the Republicans". But it wasn't fake.

James O'Keefe @JamesOKeefeIII

Of course, now the say "It is true"... after the election.

 

[SomeRandom]

That is an interesting idea.

I have been listening to London Real a few month ago, and they had the problem to get their YouTube interviews removed; their private site Data is not removed

Personally I think Governments should not remove personal platforms. Like Freedom of Religion; free to create our own religion, as long as we don't hurt others.

Of course YouTube and FaceBook and WhatsApp also started small, what to do when personal platforms become HUGE?

Interesting. Maybe it would be nice one could select or deselect some big platforms, so that Google excludes these when you google privately.

When censoring too much is also dangerous, easily we can become like China (I mean people in power are all same, skin color doesn't change that)

Well of course one should be mindful to recognise censorship as a form of government control and what is in essence deliberately spreading false information that can be proven to cause detrimental affects. Even if it’s just a disclaimer on said information.
Of course ideally experts in the relevant field could determine “false info.”
Ideally. But this is not an ideal world.

 

[stvdv]

I hate social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Tik Tok for various reasons

I don't hate them, I just don't use them. But my main problem is, that I don't trust them; stealing and misusing my data, hence my fb is empty

I do have a Facebook account, but I only use it to send message to my Swedish friend. That is handy. I deselected many options, so nobody can see anything of nothing that is in my account. In that way fb does give the option to keep it quite private (Only I can see things)

It all comes down to our own responsibility how we use it.

But to control what your kids see is not easy (they know the right buttons before parents do usually).
Though, I don't need a smartphone, so kids could do without it too; data junks is not healthy anyway

 

[Heyo]

I hate social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Tik Tok for various reasons, especially the harmful psychological effects of it and the out of control bullying that happens. So they do need to be held accountable for certain things. Facebook and Google should be broken up, honestly. But at the same time, government censorship is always alarming. I'd rather have First Amendment protections than not, even if it's problematic. The UK and much of Western Europe has become increasingly authoritarian in some respects.

I notice that those pushing for censorship always like to use the "for the sake of the children" bs argument. Young children shouldn't even be on those sites, anyway. A few months ago, a guy livestreamed his suicide on Facebook and it went viral. One of the places it ended up was Tik Tok and some parent was pissed over their 9 year old stumbling across it. But what I want to know is who the hell is dumb enough to let their 9 year old be on Tik Tok in the first place? At some point, people must take responsibility for their own children and stop expecting the government to be a nanny. Monitor your kid's Internet usage and install filters. Don't let your young kids have smartphones. Actually be a parent and use common sense.

You have a right to your own opinion - but not to your own facts.

In that sense it is OK and would be OK even under the US constitution to censor false news.
But while I'm OK with deleting libel and slander, I think fake news should be, like Twitter has done, accompanied with a warning and link to accepted facts.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think that is the problem. Who decides what is "fake"? Some are obvious, yes! But others can be classified as a hindrance to free speech. Whoever hold the strings holds the decision.

I think on the long run... it will be a mess. Eventually, like China, you filter out true news.

I remember the intercepted phone call by CNN where they purposefully killed the Biden computer story and said "It is fake news by the Republicans". But it wasn't fake.

James O'Keefe @JamesOKeefeIII

Of course, now the say "It is true"... after the election.

I read that China blocks any speech against their government. US doesn't have that. If they change it, people would get, um, pi, uh, mad.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You have a right to your own opinion - but not to your own facts.

In that sense it is OK and would be OK even under the US constitution to censor false news.
But while I'm OK with deleting libel and slander, I think fake news should be, like Twitter has done, accompanied with a warning and link to accepted facts.

I doubt the US government has the power to enforce such censorship under the Constitution.

 

[Altfish]

How does Britain define free speech?

I know in the U.S. free speech also includes opinions against the government and other controversial opinions that can't be attacked as opinions unless they promote harm or predictive of an illegal activity etc (like what you see in many websites like RF when it comes to reporting material). Unfortunately, people are posting COVID info but I see a problem with that from U.S. standards given, unless they are acting as an authorized party, I'm sure Americans would figure out opinions vs. fact. So, it doesn't sound like it's concerned about freedom of speech but a means to decrease protests etc. But I assume if the COVID thing is over, they would come back...

What about in Britain?

The UK has the very same internet as the US; so we can see exactly the same - Fact/Speculation/Rubbish

 

[Altfish]

You have a right to your own opinion - but not to your own facts.

In that sense it is OK and would be OK even under the US constitution to censor false news.
But while I'm OK with deleting libel and slander, I think fake news should be, like Twitter has done, accompanied with a warning and link to accepted facts.

The problem always is ... Who judges what is false news and what is fact?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Good news ... finally they start censoring the internet

Taking out allegedly "fake news" (hopefully they are honest, and don't take out true facts)
The reason they finally do this now, is because it messes up their plans with 'fighting covid-19'
Would have been nice, if we would not have needed covid-19 to do this; but better late than never

One could say that "Freedom of Speech" is targeted, but it's fake new "lies" is also messy

What you think? Are you happy that they clean up the internet?
Do you fear that this will impact our "Freedom of Speech"?
You trust them to do an honest cleaning job?

Interesting fact: this proves they fully control internet data

Just 2 min: Social media (fb etc) have to clean up fake news OR pay big $$

Thats just plain messed up.

 

[Twilight Hue]

How does Britain define free speech?

I know in the U.S. free speech also includes opinions against the government and other controversial opinions that can't be attacked as opinions unless they promote harm or predictive of an illegal activity etc (like what you see in many websites like RF when it comes to reporting material). Unfortunately, people are posting COVID info but I see a problem with that from U.S. standards given, unless they are acting as an authorized party, I'm sure Americans would figure out opinions vs. fact. So, it doesn't sound like it's concerned about freedom of speech but a means to decrease protests etc. But I assume if the COVID thing is over, they would come back...

What about in Britain?

I dont regard British as a free people anymore.

 

[Salty Booger]

What you think? Are you happy that they clean up the internet?
Do you fear that this will impact our "Freedom of Speech"?
You trust them to do an honest cleaning job?

I much prefer my own opinions to determine what I want to see and hear. A private entity is within its legal rights to censor information, which is why alternative formats are beginning to pop up online--parlor and rumble.

 

[stvdv]

Thats just plain messed up.

Just the beginning of the "new normal"

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I much prefer my own opinions to determine what I want to see and hear. A private entity is within its legal rights to censor information, which is why alternative formats are beginning to pop up online--parlor and rumble.

Well, I was getting bored with the old normal. So, I guess it's okay.....