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Good news ... finally they start censoring the internet

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Good news ... finally they start censoring the internet

Taking out allegedly "fake news" (hopefully they are honest, and don't take out true facts)
The reason they finally do this now, is because it messes up their plans with 'fighting covid-19'
Would have been nice, if we would not have needed covid-19 to do this; but better late than never

One could say that "Freedom of Speech" is targeted, but it's fake new "lies" is also messy

What you think? Are you happy that they clean up the internet?
Do you fear that this will impact our "Freedom of Speech"?
You trust them to do an honest cleaning job?

Interesting fact: this proves they fully control internet data

Just 2 min: Social media (fb etc) have to clean up fake news OR pay big $$

So, this is being done for the safety of children? Perhaps another approach would be to require these big tech companies to devote a portion of their earnings to financing a government agency to oversee the internet and concentrate specifically on the "dark web" or "deep web" or whatever they call it. I'm all for protecting children from the internet creeps, the sex traffickers, and the kiddie porn merchants, but I have a strong feeling that's not even a priority for them. Their higher priority seems to be a desire to control the flow of information - but I doubt they're going to have much luck in doing that.

The internet is historically analogous to the invention of the printing press. Before the printing press, books and other written materials were quite rare. But once the printing press was invented, more books came about, and the exchange of knowledge (which the Powers That Be obviously wanted to prevent) spread across the world. This was certainly one of many factors which led to greater freedom and more democratic societies - because governments (and religions) were finding it much more difficult to control the flow of knowledge as they once did.

There have also been governments which have attempted to censor printed materials (as well as radio, TV, movies, and music recording), but it doesn't really seem to work in the long run. People will still find ways around it. Or they may openly challenge it and take the consequences. Maybe make themselves a martyr and rile up the public to rise up against tyranny and form a government which values freedom. I think that's even happened before.

I think freedom of the press and freedom of speech have been beneficial to the West in that it promoted the open exchange of ideas and the flow of knowledge throughout multiple societies. We were able to share innovations, ideas, discoveries, and inventions and build on each other's knowledge.

Of course, most of us know that freedom of speech isn't an absolute right. You can't incite a riot or otherwise cause a clear and present danger. But apart from obvious things like that, it's pretty wide open.

As for the internet and the possibility of government censorship, I think it may prove to be far more difficult than it's worth in the long run. It seems that the problem is more with the technology than with the content. After all, people have been saying (and some even printing) some really crazy things for as long as I've been alive.

But if they post it on the internet, suddenly it's a problem - because it's on the internet. That would indicate the main problem is with the technology. They can't control it anymore. Even if they can tame the tech giants into submission, I'm not sure if it will really change anything in the long run. We'll still get fake news and trolls and all that stuff.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
But if they post it on the internet, suddenly it's a problem - because it's on the internet. That would indicate the main problem is with the technology.
IMO:

China is very much able to control anything, so don't worry, if they want to completely censor internet in USA it's piece of cake for them
Now they want to sell vaccines, so they need to get rid of bad publicity, I am sure they will get rid of it in just a few month
In Holland still 40% does not want to take vaccine. I clearly see news being changed now
January 4, they start vaccination (60% need to be vaccinated to control covid-19)

Technology is not the problem. Their biggest problem is reducing Freedom of Speech
But with the widespread fear of Covid-19, I think that won't be a problem anymore

I just hope, that we don't end up like China with all of these Covid-changes
Especially, since they invented "the new normal" already
Even though with vaccine virus problem will be gone
But I am quite sure, they will keep their control
Otherwise they would not have invented
"the new normal" concept

I hope I am wrong
Time will tell
Soon
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
IMO:

China is very much able to control anything, so don't worry, if they want to completely censor internet in USA it's piece of cake for them
Now they want to sell vaccines, so they need to get rid of bad publicity, I am sure they will get rid of it in just a few month
In Holland still 40% does not want to take vaccine. I clearly see news being changed now
January 4, they start vaccination (60% need to be vaccinated to control covid-19)

Technology is not the problem. Their biggest problem is reducing Freedom of Speech
But with the widespread fear of Covid-19, I think that won't be a problem anymore

I just hope, that we don't end up like China with all of these Covid-changes
Especially, since they invented "the new normal" already
Even though with vaccine virus problem will be gone
But I am quite sure, they will keep their control
Otherwise they would not have invented
"the new normal" concept

I hope I am wrong
Time will tell
Soon

I don't think they'll censor the entire internet, but it seems that control of the internet would also entail controlling the people who run the tech companies, in addition to their top engineers. But some of them may not want to be controlled like that.
 

McBell

Unbound
Good news ... finally they start censoring the internet

Taking out allegedly "fake news" (hopefully they are honest, and don't take out true facts)
The reason they finally do this now, is because it messes up their plans with 'fighting covid-19'
Would have been nice, if we would not have needed covid-19 to do this; but better late than never

One could say that "Freedom of Speech" is targeted, but it's fake new "lies" is also messy

What you think? Are you happy that they clean up the internet?
Do you fear that this will impact our "Freedom of Speech"?
You trust them to do an honest cleaning job?

Interesting fact: this proves they fully control internet data

Just 2 min: Social media (fb etc) have to clean up fake news OR pay big $$
Wonder how they plan to enforce it...
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Wonder how they plan to enforce it...
Make them pay big fines if they don't clean up

BUT

If they don't know how, they could always ask China
China knows how to enforce it on people
I think in USA they also know how to do
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Good news ... finally they start censoring the internet

One could say that "Freedom of Speech" is targeted, but it's fake new "lies" is also messy

What you think? Are you happy that they clean up the internet?
Do you fear that this will impact our "Freedom of Speech"?
You trust them to do an honest cleaning job?

How Interesting!
Threads often appear on RF calling for freedom of speech and expression, as in recent debates over French journalism, the French President arguing that printing naked cartoon pictures of religious prophets is 'reasonable' even if it upsets 8 million citizens, the next thing we hear about is that France is attempting to ban freedom to photograph its police officers. The reverse of the coin, eh?

Freedom of Speech and Expression should not allow provocative, inciting, harmful, vindictive deceitful muck, and if our governments can control this more closely then ........ great!
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
How Interesting!
Threads often appear on RF calling for freedom of speech and expression, as in recent debates over French journalism, the French President arguing that printing naked cartoon pictures of religious prophets is 'reasonable' even if it upsets 8 million citizens, the next thing we hear about is that France is attempting to ban freedom to photograph its police officers. The reverse of the coin, eh?

Freedom of Speech and Expression should not allow provocative, inciting, harmful, vindictive deceitful muck, and if our governments can control this more closely then ........ great!
Yes, that thought came to mind also; just do my best to stay within the rules here. Was a bit difference though ... in France there was killing involved. I hope it does not get that far here now. Personally I think "Freedom of Speech" will decline rapidly (not just my believe though, I see it happening, so I can say "I know" now).
 

McBell

Unbound
Make them pay big fines if they don't clean up

BUT

If they don't know how, they could always ask China
China knows how to enforce it on people
I think in USA they also know how to do
More specifically, how exactly is the UK going to make a US company pay said fines?
Is it something like what China does: "you pay these fines or UK citizens will not be allowed to view the Facebook"?

Simply saying "make them pay..." does not answer the question.

HOW are they gonna "make them pay" the fines?
 

McBell

Unbound
Freedom of Speech and Expression should not allow provocative, inciting, harmful, vindictive deceitful muck, and if our governments can control this more closely then ........ great!
This is all fine and dandy so long as you agree with the ones deciding what is and is not "provocative, inciting, harmful, vindictive deceitful muck".
Of course, does this 'restriction' you propose include "provocative, inciting, harmful, vindictive deceitful muck" proclaimed in the name of a religion?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yes, that thought came to mind also; just do my best to stay within the rules here. Was a bit difference though ... in France there was killing involved. I hope it does not get that far here now. Personally I think "Freedom of Speech" will decline rapidly (not just my believe though, I see it happening, so I can say "I know" now).
Let's see how any new laws work..... at least public opinion can and does have some impact upon our leaders.

Sure, France is/was different, in that the idea of the pictures was promoted by government (imo), then the reaction to that maniac murdering the teacher seemed to lead to police searches of mosques and the closing of many of them.... more than a free speech policy that, more like an aggressive action against Islam in France. And then France's intention to restrict free photography on its streets. !!!!
As you can see I am an avid Francophile! :p
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
This is all fine and dandy so long as you agree with the ones deciding what is and is not "provocative, inciting, harmful, vindictive deceitful muck".
Well, you know, we've got a shadow government with a strong voice in our Parliament so if any new laws are rubbish thee will be plenty of voices out there.


Of course, does this 'restriction' you propose include "provocative, inciting, harmful, vindictive deceitful muck" proclaimed in the name of a religion?

I didn't propose it, just read about it and like the idea so far. I haven't read any legislation yet, so give us a chance. :)
Can you give me an example of a harmful proclamation in the name of a religion? That might help me to answer your question.
A bloke standing on the street calling out that I'm a sinner etc? He wouldn't be wrong, you know. :D
 

McBell

Unbound
Interesting.
So all Facebook has to do is remain in the USA and the UK can basically only jump up and down about it?

I happened upon this whilst looking to see if Facebook has any European asses

Facebook will move UK users to US terms, avoiding EU privacy laws
Back in May 2017:


Nothing said really if it was actually paid...
Though since there was nothing more mentioned about it (at least that I can find) I assume it was....

And then there is this from May 2020:

Seems Europe has made Facebook one of their Public enemies....
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Who decides what a "fake news" is?;)

You know...in the 17th century the Vatican used to say that Galileo's scientific discoveries were "fake news" and forced him to withdraw them. To take them back.

So...I guess the authorities who decide about "fake news" can be biased...and not impartital...;)
 
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