Good Reason To Have An AR-15

[Reverend Rick]

Your neighbors may decide to take what you have instead of sharing. If everyone comes to dine today, what will you eat tomorrow? Don't tell me you have enough for your whole community.

And yes, I see preparedness as a local thing more than an apocalypse. Storm, earthquake, terrorist attack, something like that. In these conditions you have riots and large capacity weapons would turn the herd so to speak. It could be no more than shooting over their heads.

 

[CMike]

SCOTUS does not make law...They do in fact interpret law..You may not like or agree with it but that is what they do. If they agreed with your understanding of the constitution or any other law I doubt you would take issue with their rulings......

Unfortunately, they make it law.

The constitution says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

Obviously they are creating laws that allow for it's infringement.

 

[CMike]

God forbid, if reincarnation or rebirth exist, that I am born in your world.

Such excitement and enthusiams over a machine designed to tear apart human flesh and organs and kill.



You just (like a lot of gun-toting Americans) come across as paranoid and delusional, in statements like these.

That's all thanks.

Those machines can also be used to defend yourself from people trying to tear apart human flesh and organs and kill of yourself and/or your family.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Your neighbors may decide to take what you have instead of sharing. If everyone comes to dine today, what will you eat tomorrow? Don't tell me you have enough for your whole community.

And yes, I see preparedness as a local thing more than an apocalypse. Storm, earthquake, terrorist attack, something like that. In these conditions you have riots and large capacity weapons would turn the herd so to speak. It could be no more than shooting over their heads.

I get the impression that your problem isn't so much with a lack of self-reliance as it is with a spirit of cooperation.

 

[Apex]

So that's why you keep guns? "Disaster preparedness"?

I have plenty of water and non-perishable food for myself, but instead of a gun, I have a ham radio. In an emergency, I would prefer to relay messages for my neighbours, not shoot them. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Radio "instead of" a gun? Why the false dichotomy?

 

[Apex]

I get the impression that your problem isn't so much with a lack of self-reliance as it is with a spirit of cooperation.

And I get the impression that your problem is the inability to see a differing point of view.

It is ok if you think a firearm should be part of being prepared. It is ok if you think it is unnecessary as well. Attempting to find fault with the opposite side because it differs from yours is arrogance.

 

[metis]

As a point of clarification, the rights as found in the Bill of Rights have not been considered to be absolutes but more as a general direction. It has not been viewed that all weapons in the hands of all people at any time should be allowed.

 

[Revoltingest]

As a point of clarification, the rights as found in the Bill of Rights have not been considered to be absolutes but more as a general direction.

Boy, does that leave a lot of room for mischief!

It has not been viewed that all weapons in the hands of all people at any time should be allowed.

You'll find general agreement about that even among us gun nuts.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And I get the impression that your problem is the inability to see a differing point of view.

It is ok if you think a firearm should be part of being prepared. It is ok if you think it is unnecessary as well. Attempting to find fault with the opposite side because it differs from yours is arrogance.

You realize that I was responding to Rick's insinuation that anti-gun people are unprepared, don't you? Are you willing to call that arrogant as well?

 

[Apex]

You realize that I was responding to Rick's insinuation that anti-gun people are unprepared, don't you? Are you willing to call that arrogant as well?

Yup!



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[Revoltingest]

You realize that I was responding to Rick's insinuation that anti-gun people are unprepared, don't you? Are you willing to call that arrogant as well?

I've thought about this, & notice that of my acquaintances who prepare for calamities, eg, loss of utilities, social unrest, snow storms, the pro-gun types are the ones who prepare. The anti-gun types don't have generators, food stores, spare gas, etc. I won't generalize outside my circle, but perhaps there is a correlation there.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Radio "instead of" a gun? Why the false dichotomy?

It's not a false dichotomy. If a firearm afficionado claims that his guns are for "disaster readiness" but hasn't bothered to equip himself with other items that would be more useful in an emergency, then I question his sincerity - or at least his priorities - about why he really got his gun.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

They do both, although with a far greater proportion of the latter. It should be strictly about interpretation though.

Simplistically "Yes" they "make laws" in the sense of interpreting existing laws. Their interpretation has the effect of changing current laws through their interpretation of said law. To my knowledge the USSC, on a broader scale, does not make laws such as the Legislative branches do.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Everything boils down to, if I have to explain you would not understand. The sides boil down to those who are self sufficient and those who are dependant on others.

When you dial 911 and get the busy signal if you even can get a call out at all, you are on your own.

Some people stick their heads in the sand when it comes to disaster prepairedness.

Most don't have enough food or water to last a week.

We are all dependent on others. The first response/impulse in most cases is to seek assistance. There are many things you just can't do alone. Some require a group effort.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It's not a false dichotomy. If a firearm afficionado claims that his guns are for "disaster readiness" but hasn't bothered to equip himself with other items that would be more useful in an emergency, then I question his sincerity - or at least his priorities - about why he really got his gun.

Correct....long before I purchased my gun I had my "bug out" bags reads and my basement stocked with supplies. I keep a bug out bag at home and one in my car. In each of the bags I keep my hunting knives.

I work at a school...and even though I have a gun at home what goes does it do me if I'm precluded from having it on school grounds...and there are many businesses and areas where having a gun in your possession isn't allowed. So while I find that "having" a gun in the various emergency situations "may" help (if needed at all)...our current societal structure isn't setup as some sort of free range carry anywhere you want.

 

[Revoltingest]

Simplistically "Yes" they "make laws" in the sense of interpreting existing laws.

No, that is not what I mean.
To "make" law is to alter what was originally intended in a contrary way. The Petty Offense Doctrine's
granting the government to waive a citizen's 6th Amendment right to trial by jury is an example.

Their interpretation has the effect of changing current laws through their interpretation of said law. To my knowledge the USSC, on a broader scale, does not make laws such as the Legislative branches do.

They "make" law as I showed in the 2 famous cases I cited. In the Kelo v City of New London case, the USSC effectively changed the 5th Amendment's Takings Clause (which now applies to the states due to the Incorporation Doctrine) from "...private property be taken for public use..." to "....private property be taken for public benefit...". Before, property could be taken from a citizen only for public uses such as public roads, public schools, etc. But the USSC made new law in deciding that government may take one's property for any public benefit, eg, giving the land to a developer who would pay higher property taxes.

 

[Revoltingest]

Correct....long before I purchased my gun I had my "bug out" bags reads and my basement stocked with supplies. I keep a bug out bag at home and one in my car. In each of the bags I keep my hunting knives.

So you're not just a gun nut or wacko survivalists....you're one of
those secret agent kind of nuts whose agency might turn on him.
I like it!
Do you take notes when you watch "Burn Notice"?

 

[CMike]

It's not a false dichotomy. If a firearm afficionado claims that his guns are for "disaster readiness" but hasn't bothered to equip himself with other items that would be more useful in an emergency, then I question his sincerity - or at least his priorities - about why he really got his gun.

Guns are also for fun.

They also have a very powerful self defense element to it.

BTW I have a fire extinguisher as well.

 

[savagewind]

Sigh. I am fond of the man with the gun (in the video). I cannot read 55 pages. I tried. Someone mentioned Clozapine. I thought birth control for those hogs. Clozapine is an insult I think.

The man left a favorable impression with me because he is doing it for free. He charges the big boys for the pleasure of shooting mama hogs.

It might be a good idea for him to be undercover with the National Security Administration.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Guns are also for fun.

And when that's the reason, I wish people would own up to it instead of making their gun out to be something it isn't.

They also have a very powerful self defense element to it.

Illusion of self defense, more accurately, since the average gun is much more likely to kill its owner or another member of the household than it is to kill an intruder.

Some people describe the screening process at airports as "security theatre": going through motions that appear to have something to do with security without actually making things more secure. In most cases, I'd say that keeping guns for self defense is a sort of "one man show" version of security theatre.

BTW I have a fire extinguisher as well.

... but I'm betting that you don't have a halon fire extinguisher (i.e. the kind that can kill you if you use them improperly), do you?