GOP nightmare is here: Sanders Is Budget Chair

[Revoltingest]

For a country already deeply in debt to dive so
much deeper strikes this reader as unwise.

This is one occasion where I favor deficit spending,
albeit just for preserving stability of those adversely
affected by the plague. IMO, the costs are less than
the benefits.

 

[sun rise]

This is one occasion where I favor deficit spending,
albeit just for preserving stability of those adversely
affected by the plague. IMO, the costs are less than
the benefits.

On this day of hope and optimism when almost everyone of good will wishes Biden the best, even those who disagree with him, I agree with you.

 

[Audie]

This is one occasion where I favor deficit spending,
albeit just for preserving stability of those adversely
affected by the plague. IMO, the costs are less than
the benefits.

Like forgive a trillion in student debt
and give free tuition from there on?

 

[icehorse]

I don't believe in the Oligarch Conspiracy.

What data on the growing income and wealth inequality seems dubious to you?

 

[Revoltingest]

Like forgive a trillion in student debt
and give free tuition from there on?

I oppose those.
Forgiving debt is wrong. Re-structure it so it's manageable.
Otherwise it's unfair to those who paid their own way.
Free tuition is a recipe for financial failure.

 

[Revoltingest]

What data on the growing income and wealth inequality seems dubious to you?

It's not about data.
I see other causes than the Oligarchy Conspiracy.
- Taxation policy
- Decreasing utility of workers due to automation.

My turn for a mischievous question...
Why do you want communism & massive famine?

 

[icehorse]

For a country already deeply in debt to dive so
much deeper strikes this reader as unwise.

A little context please? The GOP has been more guilty of growing debt than the Dems have. No one is a fan of debt, but the GOP has dug us a deep and complex hole to get out of, and incurring extra debt to right the ship will probably be necessary.

 

[icehorse]

I oppose those.
Forgiving debt is wrong. Re-structure it so it's manageable.
Otherwise it's unfair to those who paid their own way.
Free tuition is a recipe for financial failure.

To this I would add, reduce debt for those who didn't get much value for their money.

 

[icehorse]

I see other causes than the Oligarchy Conspiracy.
- Taxation policy

these two are linked at the hip

My turn for a mischievous question...
Why do you want communism & massive famine?

I don't believe I posed a false dilemma, I believe you did. That AND you offered a strawman. How about we try to have a debate without using fallacies. You know, in good faith?

 

[Revoltingest]

To this I would add, reduce debt for those who didn't get much value for their money.

Red herring.
Some pay for tuition with their own money.
Others borrow it.
I see no good reason to subsidize the latter over the former,
other than making the loans reasonably repayable.

 

[Revoltingest]

these two are linked at the hip

I disagree. If the voters wanted tax reform,
they'd make it an issue, & politicians would
fall all over themselves to make political
hay from it.
Note: When Trump's tax reform raised tax
costs on mansions, who complained? Dems.

I don't believe I posed a false dilemma, I believe you did. That AND you offered a strawman. How about we try to have a debate without using fallacies. You know, in good faith?

You can't call a disagreement a "straw man".
That makes the term meaningless.
Learn the difference between fallacy & disagreement.

 

[Audie]

To this I would add, reduce debt for those who didn't get much value for their money.

College is a bubble. Its oversold, a lot of
people go, who should not have. Ebtrsncev
requirements are too low people get useless degrees with unrealistic plans.

Then they've wasted 4 years, gone into debt,
and have to think ofva real plan.

I saw a lot of that as a student at American uni.

Free tuition for the serious, sure.

Other wise it's inflating the bubble.

 

[Audie]

A little context please? The GOP has been more guilty of growing debt than the Dems have. No one is a fan of debt, but the GOP has dug us a deep and complex hole to get out of, and incurring extra debt to right the ship will probably be necessary.

yeah, everyone likes to point fingers

I linked you to sanders policy ideas. Isn't that context?

 

[Revoltingest]

College is a bubble. Its oversold, a lot of
people go, who should not have. Ebtrsncev
requirements are too low people get useless degrees with unrealistic plans.

Then they've wasted 4 years, gone into debt,
and have to think ofva real plan.

I saw a lot of that as a student at American uni.

Free tuition for the serious, sure.

Other wise it's inflating the bubble.

College is too often just considered a default path.
It's not useful for many who finish it, even if they
do go to a good school.
And high schools tend to not value the alternative,
ie, teaching a trade. So kids end up graduating
with no marketable skills.

 

[icehorse]

I disagree. If the voters wanted tax reform,
they'd make it an issue, & politicians would
fall all over themselves to make political
hay from it.

Wait what? You're of the opinion that DC acts based on the will of the voters? Wow!

 

[Audie]

College is too often just considered a default path.
It's not useful for many who finish it, even if they
do go to a good school.
And high schools tend to not value the alternative,
ie, teaching a trade. So kids end up graduating
with no marketable skills.

My type specimen was a girl who got a polysci
degree, planning to go to DC and get work as a policy maker.

 

[Audie]

Wait what? You're of the opinion that DC acts based on the will of the voters? Wow!

Sarcasm v sarcasm

 

[Revoltingest]

Wait what? You're of the opinion that DC acts based on the will of the voters? Wow!

And you believe a secret cabal controls elections & policy?
Wowzer!

 

[Revoltingest]

My type specimen was a girl who got a polysci
degree, planning to go to DC and get work as a policy maker.

I know 2 guys who got degrees in film & sociology.
They now run a tree service company, & should've
learned some accounting instead.

 

[icehorse]

yeah, everyone likes to point fingers

I linked you to sanders policy ideas. Isn't that context?

I believe it was you that started the finger pointing in this thread? Anyway...

Medicare for all: Well we ought to be looking at this from a systems perspective. Even if we're heartless jerks. Having an unhealthy population incurs many indirect costs to our economy. Plus, the medical industry is currently RIDDLED with profiteering, and that can be heavily reduced if we have the will to do it.

Green New Deal: Well, we've got ourselves into a real pickle here. Again, I would argue that displacing 10's of millions of people will also be a multi-trillion dollar undertaking.

Those are the two biggies in your Sanders link, the rest seem like rounding errors.