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GOP nightmare is here: Sanders Is Budget Chair

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I dont think there's enough ethics in
congress to fill a teaspoon.

haha. I largely agree with your post, but I guess my thought is that the Dems have 3/4 of that teaspoon :)

So, even though what you say is true, I feel that - in general - the Dems are less corrupt than the GOP.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
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icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Its a feeling but real hard to justify.

Given that we're agreed that corruption and lying is rampant in both parties, I feel some tiny bit of comfort when:

- Dems at least admit that climate change is an issue
- Dems at least purport to want to provide affordable healthcare and have implemented something
- Dems at least purport to see income and wealth inequality as an issue

In contrast, the GOP tends to even acknowledge these problems
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Given that we're agreed that corruption and lying is rampant in both parties, I feel some tiny bit of comfort when:

- Dems at least admit that climate change is an issue
- Dems at least purport to want to provide affordable healthcare and have implemented something
- Dems at least purport to see income and wealth inequality as an issue

In contrast, the GOP tends to even acknowledge these problems

The gop is not exactly leading on
climate.
On the other two, there are different plans to address the issues but concern/ lack of isn't the difference. Both say they care more.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
The gop is not exactly leading on
climate.
On the other two, there are different plans to address the issues but concern/ lack of isn't the difference. Both say they care more.

The GOP has had 10+ years to cook up an alternative to the ACA and they have delivered zilch.

The GOP continues to push for tax breaks for the rich which only exacerbates economic inequalities.

So - in practice - the GOPs track record is far worse, correct? (Not saying that the Dems are great, simply better)
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The GOP has had 10+ years to cook up an alternative to the ACA and they have delivered zilch.

The GOP continues to push for tax breaks for the rich which only exacerbates economic inequalities.

So - in practice - the GOPs track record is far worse, correct? (Not saying that the Dems are great, simply better)

The actual problem with your health care Is
the insane cost


Govt is notoriously inept at running things.
Note USPS V FEDEX.

In Hong Kong you can get top quality glasses
In two hours, for what your hospitals charge for
an aspirin tablet.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
The actual problem with your health care Is
the insane cost

Govt is notoriously inept at running things.
Note USPS V FEDEX.

In Hong Kong you can get top quality glasses
In two hours, for what your hospitals charge for
an aspirin tablet.

We're completely agreed that the healthcare system is fraught with profiteering.

But government inefficiencies are less a problem than you're proposing. So your example about glasses has less to do with government and more to do with all of the profiteers who have embedded themselves into the system. I would recommend you read a book called "Bitter Pill". Or, if you can, find the old Time magazine article of the same title.
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
Had to look up "feckless" Nice word. Sort of learned what it meant from context, but never sure. Should look up more words. I remember looking up enervate. Boy, was I wrong.

Can you believe I just looked up "apostate"? Apparently, it doesn't just mean "those bad people". Is there a DIR for apostates?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
We're completely agreed that the healthcare system is fraught with profiteering.

But government inefficiencies are less a problem than you're proposing. So your example about glasses has less to do with government and more to do with all of the profiteers who have embedded themselves into the system. I would recommend you read a book called "Bitter Pill". Or, if you can, find the old Time magazine article of the same title.

Regardless of how you shave the blame
game, it is vastly overpriced and raising
taxes in an ever upward spiral chasing
it is not a sensible solution.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Regardless of how you shave the blame
game, it is vastly overpriced and raising
taxes in an ever upward spiral chasing
it is not a sensible solution.

I never said increasing taxes was. I think we should do these things on their own steam and by redistributing revenues. For example:

- get the profiteers out of the healthcare system to make healthcare for all more affordable
- reduce defense spending to fund other initiatives
- make sure that ideas like the GND partially pay for themselves via new jobs and industries.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I don't know, but I think I might need to have my apostate gland checked.

Audie wonders
I never said increasing taxes was. I think we should do these things on their own steam and by redistributing revenues. For example:

- get the profiteers out of the healthcare system to make healthcare for all more affordable
- reduce defense spending to fund other initiatives
- make sure that ideas like the GND partially pay for themselves via new jobs and industries.

You didn't need to say it! Thats obamacare,
or any other govt plan so far.

Defining and identifying profiteers would keep you up at night.

Just the thing about glasses, say...

I dontbthink the stores selling frames get rich,
though those 200 dollar frames cost 3 dollars to the buyer.

You cannot run a business like in HK,
because only a doctor can prescribe,
though the training to use those devices
to determine what glasses you need is minimal.

Plus you can't get new glasses if your prescription from Dr is over two yes old.

You need new glasses? In USA, pay 600
dollars, in HK, 30.
 
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