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Gop position on IVF on June12th. And Gop position on IVF on June 13th.
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
OMG. I guess you are going to make me go back through legislation and language I don't even particularly care about to find it but OK:
Rules Of Construction.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—For purposes of this title, a State law, or the administration, implementation, or enforcement of a State law, constitutes a prohibition, limitation, interference, or impediment on a health care provider providing, an individual receiving, a health insurance issuer covering, or a manufacturer marketing drugs or devices for fertility treatment, provided in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based medical standards of care, as described in subsection 104, if the administration, implementation, interpretation, or enforcement of such law has an effect that—
And:
3) HEALTH INSURANCE ISSUER RIGHTS.—A health insurance issuer has a statutory right under this title, without prohibition, limitation, interference, or impediment, to the extent that such prohibition, limitation, interference, or impediment in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or affects commerce over which the Federal Government has jurisdiction, to cover the provision of fertility treatment provided in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based medical standards of care.
Among many other things, which I won't go into at the moment.
Anyway, I don't really care about this so there's that part of it. It's just not a burning issue to me one way or the other. But there is a difference between protecting a person's ability to pay for something unimpeded, vs. asking other people to pay for it. For instance, even though I have had a complete hysterectomy and also show no signs of mental health issues and I am 62, I am still paying in part for the coverage of other people for their pregnancies and mental health issues. Yay, me! Can't opt out of it either. I am paying $732.09 a month for health insurance, which I found to be the least expensive option, believe it or not. And it's an HMO, not a PPO. But hey, I'm covered if I get pregnant or suddenly develop a mental health problem! I wish I could opt out of some thing but I can't.
Well you still haven't shown anywhere where it says the government will pay for it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Oh brother.
So are you opposed to any payment by another person, whether via taxes or whatever, for this treatment?
We Never Know
No Slack
Their reason... "Why should we vote for a bill that fixes a non-existent problem? There’s not a problem. There’s no restrictions on IVF, nor should there be,”
If it wasn't election year it would even be being talked about.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I believe the Democrats are saying that other people should pay for it.
??? No, not at all. I fact when it comes to medical care I am very much in favour of it. I just don't see where this bill says that will happen.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Oh I see it in many sentences.
You must be wearing those special goggles.
That is not a reason, it is a lame excuse. If they wait until IVF does get banned it will cost the industry, and deny services to the patient.
And remember, this is a group that went to the effort of writing up and signing a statement in favour of IVF, but then when it came to showing their support with a vote, it was not worth that effort. It would have taken just as much effort to vote yes, as it would to vote no.
Exactly, if we ignore this problem now the Republicans in the red states will have lots of time to ban this process.
We Never Know
No Slack
If its not broke, don't fix it.
Exactly is right. The dems wouldn't care if it wasn't election year. They are trying to get votes.
Nothing more nothing less IMO.
Want to impress voters like me, do something because it needs done or because its right. Do it no matter if its election year or not.
Don't do it because its election year to just to try to get votes.
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We Never Know
No Slack
Every time election year rolls around we have the sitting president, be it Biden, Trump, whoever making all these campaign promises.
My first thought is 'Why now? Why have you not not already done that?
Its their platform to run on to get votes. Hell if they had already done it the three prior years in office that would be more impressive than promises made to get votes, which many are not kept.
And its always fear mongering "vote for us or else" that leads the way
Pogo
Well-Known Member
The law on abortion wasn't broke, it was in keeping with the desires of the majority and the liberty of individuals to choose for them selves,
SCOTUS with the help of Trumps regressive appointees broke it.
Now we need to shore up the law so that they don't break more of it.
Yes it is an election issue, we need to not elect or reelect the people who are taking away the rights of the many for the religious and authoritarian beliefs of a minority, they are contrary to the principles this country was founded on.
We Never Know
No Slack
Some saw it broke. Some didn't.
That's what happens when eight hand picked people, picked by their parties decide for everyone. Notice hand picked, not voted in.
Many issues could have/should have been addressed/fixed his first three years. Why wait until election year? Fear mongering. Vote for us or else.
Its that way all the time no matter who is in office. It gets old.
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Pogo
Well-Known Member
You haven't noticed how totally dysfunctional this Congress has been, the radical right MAGA bomb throwers have destroyed the Republican party with ridiculous demands to the point that it is only when the Republican majority fractures enough to tell them no that the house actually passes legislation with a chance of becoming law.
Have you not seen the endless ridiculous house investigations that keep turning up nothing but they keep promising that some day they will find the evidence for something though they can't tell us what beyond the assertion (Biden Crime family).
We Never Know
No Slack
I've seen political BS from both sides
The last time we had a presidential election where the person elected was best suited for the job was was back in the Obama days.
Since then its been ran on 'Vote for me because I'm better. 'Vote for me or else.
We Never Know
No Slack
Each party should have been grooming some one else at least four years ago.(if not longer)
Yes I said grooming because that what it is.
Fact is they don't care and they didn't because they both have who they want, not who the people want.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So says the party who rules over the most oppressive and least free states in the entire nation.
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No Slack
Here's what's funny.
Everyone thought Reagan was too old after his eight years at age 77. After 35 years we have lost our minds and produced two that are even older lol