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GOP's nightmare: An Independent Donald Trump

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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I see Trump as a symptom, not the problem.

Back in the 90's the GOP took control of the US government. Their platform was called "Contract With America". They controlled all three branches of government. By 2008, the results were in. Foreign policy was a disaster, the economy was melting down, and the federal deficit was exploding like an atomic bomb.
The Democratic party could have nominated a trained seal and won. Instead we got Obama.
So the GOP came up with a new platform. "Blame Obama". "Just Say No". Etc. And their game plan was to energize the base with inflammatory lies and half truths, and oppose anything Obama proposes regardless of what is good for the country. Even if it's just making payments on the debt Bush ran up.

The GOP is in a downward spiral and Trump is exploiting that. Trump is an exploiter and the problems of the GOP resemble those of a company that hasn't innovated and is now pretty worthless, despite history. Ripe for exploitation, like selling Kodak short a few years ago.
Tom
 
Imaginary_Friends

Imaginary_Friends

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People are excited about the prospective Trump presidency and the ensuing economic prosperity and opportunity that his administration would bring! I think he will get the GOP ticket but I think he still has a chance even as a independent.

Unfortunately for many liberals, who think Trump is just dividing the GOP, is pulling support from both sides of the isle. People confuse voting democrat with supporting liberalism. I would say half of democratic voters are not even liberals at all.

  • Single moms, who are looking for a government handouts because of poor choice of baby daddy(ies) yet don't see any change from their plight besides government dependency.
  • Blacks, same as above and then the obvious, " I be black, he be black, I vote for Obama" (95% of black voters voted for Obama yet are polled as the largest demographic who are disproving of same-sex relationships)
  • Senile senior citizens, who terrified of GOP cutting SS due to liberal-media false narratives. Now are seeing repeats of cutting SS yet welfare doesn't seem to be shrinking for the able bodied.
  • Millennial's who were stooped by media and college campus propaganda that the GOP is a bunch of rich loving, mean spirited bigots that should give the young black guy a chance. After 8 years, they are waking up to mountains of student loan debt and competing with recent immigrants for lousy pay jobs that the liberals told us are enriching our country. Where is my white collar job within walking distance of Starbucks I was promised?
  • Baby boomers who are getting laid off and not finding work age 50+
  • Older Baby boomers who are trying to unload these McMansions to downsize for their under-funded retirement but can not find qualified buyers for their asking price. ( see #4 for millennial's ). Its estimated most boomers are depending on their home equity for retirement.
Trump is what this country has been needing for a long time. Mostly central on social issues and heavy on bringing the USA to a economic power house it once was. As for the democrats? Hillary "pantsuit" is trying to sell the same old failed garbage liberals have been selling for years. The liberal machine requires a perpetual victim that they can perceive as uplifting the downtrodden. That's all done. Gays get married, Minorities have AA , she is running out of victims and free $hit to give away to bribe votes. Of course she may have a few Scooby snacks up her sleeves.

What is she running on? She thinks she can fix the economy yet she wants to raise taxes, raise the minimum wage, give amnesty to 20 million illegals (saturation of unskilled labor). Even a retarded 1st grader can see this math doesn't add up. Most of the populace is waking up and seeing the liberal ideology model is unsustainable and failed economic model.

Additionally the democrats are setting themselves up for failure like the GOP did in 2008. The GOP line up was the tired tirade of dry old stiffs in contrast to the more younger down-to-earth speaking Obama.

This time you have the younger stiffs on the GOP right, Scooby-Doo and old dry Sanders on the left and coming out swinging, no holds bar Trump the firebrand.

I think Trump will get the GOP ticket. More then likely the RNC will acquiesce on the condition he accepts a running mate of their choosing. I like to see a Trump/ Paul or Trump/ Carson, but it will most likely be a Trump/ Cruz.


The alternative?

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Monk Of Reason

Monk Of Reason

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Imaginary_Friends said:
People are excited about the prospective Trump presidency and the ensuing economic prosperity and opportunity that his administration would bring! I think he will get the GOP ticket but I think he still has a chance even as a independent.
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If he doesn't get the ticket then the chances of a GOP or Trump victory gets pretty low.
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Unfortunately for many liberals, who think Trump is just dividing the GOP, is pulling support from both sides of the isle. People confuse voting democrat with supporting liberalism. I would say half of democratic voters are not even liberals at all.[/quote]
From my experience it seems that there aren't a lot of democrats that are at all interested in Trump. The middle or undecided are probably more likely to vote for trump than democrats. Though it is true that "democrat" doesn't mean liberal. I mean look at Obama. His track record is highly conservative. His last few years have shifted in a light shade of liberal.
  • Single moms, who are looking for a government handouts because of poor choice of baby daddy(ies) yet don't see any change from their plight besides government dependency.
  • Blacks, same as above and then the obvious, " I be black, he be black, I vote for Obama" (95% of black voters voted for Obama yet are polled as the largest demographic who are disproving of same-sex relationships)
  • Senile senior citizens, who terrified of GOP cutting SS due to liberal-media false narratives. Now are seeing repeats of cutting SS yet welfare doesn't seem to be shrinking for the able bodied.
  • Millennial's who were stooped by media and college campus propaganda that the GOP is a bunch of rich loving, mean spirited bigots that should give the young black guy a chance. After 8 years, they are waking up to mountains of student loan debt and competing with recent immigrants for lousy pay jobs that the liberals told us are enriching our country. Where is my white collar job within walking distance of Starbucks I was promised?
  • Baby boomers who are getting laid off and not finding work age 50+
  • Older Baby boomers who are trying to unload these McMansions to downsize for their under-funded retirement but can not find qualified buyers for their asking price. ( see #4 for millennial's ). Its estimated most boomers are depending on their home equity for retirement.
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This is an over-generalization and a bad one at that. The elderly are far more likely to vote republican regardless of income. Younger people tend to be more liberal that is true. Educated individuals tend to be more liberal. Don't forget to remember all of the young people that have gone through college AND found a job. They still vote liberal.
The GOP has neglected at every turn to "give the black guy a chance". Even if it hurt them in the polls and hurt the country they opposed him.

Baby boomers tend to be more conservative but no tas much as the elderly.
 
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Paranoid Android

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  • Senile senior citizens, who terrified of GOP cutting SS due to liberal-media false narratives. Now are seeing repeats of cutting SS yet welfare doesn't seem to be shrinking for the able bodied.

How thoughtful. I feel that they shouldn't cut Social Security. I feel that this the pattern that the U.S has followed for a long time. I feel that the U.S.A is discriminatory against people with disabilities, just like they are against African-American, Latinos/Latinas. I feel that the situation could lead to physical violence. I abhor physical violence, yet the U.S.A has taught us that, so I feel that those who are mistreated will eventually use it,





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C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Imaginary_Friends said:
^ No actually we don't. Please explain to us why we should vote for the current party that professes to do the same thing yet has been a dismal failure?
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The current party claims to be doing something different. At least in the Oval Office, the GOP has kept control of the legislative branch for most of the last 20 years. So they have managed to stop Obama on nearly everything, except when Obama proposed the Republican health care reform that Romney took so much pride in.
Until it became a political liability. Then he said he would overturn it. I don't know why the GOP selected a presidential candidate who could not run against the GOP "BFD", Obamacare. It was all they had and Romney had taken credit for instituting it in Massachusetts when he was governor.
Tom
 
Monk Of Reason

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Imaginary_Friends said:
^ No actually we don't. Please explain to us why we should vote for the current party that professes to do the same thing yet has been a dismal failure?

That's the people that should not be allowed to vote.
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People shouldn't vote democrat or republican. People should vote for independent candidates that have no political ties to parties and are held accountable not only for their choices while in office but have a transparent record so that they may be judged on the basis and solidity of their ideas.

Both parties have done terribly. The republican party historically worse in the last few decades.
 
Altfish

Altfish

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Imaginary_Friends said:
People are excited about the prospective Trump presidency and the ensuing economic prosperity and opportunity that his administration would bring! I think he will get the GOP ticket but I think he still has a chance even as a independent.
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He'll make the US bankrupt, he's been there two or three times himself already.
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Funny pictures of Billary don't change the fact that she is a hardened veteran of Washington DC who can get things done. She is a byatch who will play hardball like Obama cannot. The more I hear from the Republican party squealing about the "Trump issue", the more likely I am to support yet another Clinton as much as it disgusts me.
Tom
 
Underhill

Underhill

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Nowhere Man said:
I'm inclined to agree. Trump speaks his mind, is not intimidated by peer pressure into toting a specific party line that tirelessly sings with the quire, and this guy is clearly "street" smart.

Qualities that are sorely lacking in politics these days. Not only would he royally stir up the lame and limp duck called the GOP, but also can put runaway liberalism/socialism in it's proper place.

I would definitely consider Trump. We desperately need someone capable of actually steering the ship as a bonofide captain, and not as some limp cabin boy timidly bowing to any pressures that happen to come by.

It seems with Trump, you will get what's advertised which makes it definitely worth a shot. Can't get much worse, that's for sure.
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I think you misunderstand me. I would never vote for the guy. But I would love for him to be on the Republican ticket.
 
Underhill

Underhill

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Nowhere Man said:
I c. It does stir up things a bit. :)
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Personally I find the remote notion of a Trump vs Bernie run-off as brilliant. Both of them are not afraid to say exactly what they are thinking and unlike virtually everyone else running they both hold interesting, if controversial, views.
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Imaginary_Friends said:
I think Trump will get the GOP ticket. More then likely the RNC will acquiesce on the condition he accepts a running mate of their choosing. I like to see a Trump/ Paul or Trump/ Carson, but it will most likely be a Trump/ Cruz.


The alternative?
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Photoshop Trump's still beating heart between Hillary's teeth and you're looking at the 2016 election results.
Tom
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

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Underhill said:
I would donate to his campaign! Trump would make an ideal GoP candidate so far as I'm concerned.

I'm also not surprised he is doing as well as he is. I think there is a huge percentage of the party that feels kinship with him.

But to answer the question posted. Hell no. The party would be insane to have him on the ticket and in even worse shape as a independent.
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So, as a third party candidate, you don't think that Trump would take votes away from the GOP candidate?
 
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