Gravity and the Expanding Universe

[ppp]

Are not.

You provide no foundation or demonstration, but merely your bald assertion. So yeah, are too.

Kinda makes you wonder about all those people who say George Washington lived. Have you met him? I haven't. I guess we take it by personal faith.

The thing is, @rrobs, that just as with chairs, I have tangible, demonstrable evidence that humans exist. You have no such evidence for your god. Until you do, the only apt comparison for your god would be faeries and tulpa.

 

[Bear Wild]

I can tell you don't understand the ancient Hebrew concept of faith. You are defining it in 20th century Western terms. The Bible was written to the former and it should be incumbent on you to see how they understood it instead of forcing your erroneous preconceived views on the scriptures. Suffice it to say, Biblical faith has nothing to do with so-called "blind" faith. Evolution is actually much closer to "blind" faith than the faith of the Hebrews.

It is so clear you have no understanding of science so how can you post anything on evolution without any conceptual understanding of evolution. bible = myth for Christian religion. Science = evidence about our world. You may be blind to evolution because you know nothing about it so why make any statement based on blind ignorance about the subject.

 

[gnostic]

Actually it was written by 35 guys over a period of about 1,500 years. The amazing thing about that is that it is perhaps the most coherent book ever written.

Except that it wasn't written within 1500-year period.

There are no evidence that the Hebrew scriptures ever existing in the Bronze Age (c 3100 - c 1100 BCE). Although the Genesis to Deuteronomy - collectively known as the Torah to the Jews and Pentateuch to the Christians - there are no biblical writings existing in Late Bronze Age (c 1550 - c 1100 BCE).

Plus, the Hebrew alphabets were only seen in use until the 10th century (eg Gezer Calendar, the Zayit Stone; neither of them show signs having knowledge of the Torah or Pentateuh).

So if the Ten Commandment actually existed in the Late Bronze Age, the stone tablets would be written in Hebrew, so what writing were used?

Was they written in Egyptian hieroglyphs or Egyptian hieratic?

Canaanite cuneiform?

There are no literary evidence that the Bible existed in the 2nd millennium BCE. And no independent texts (eg Egyptian, Canaanite or Babylonian sources) showed signs that Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses or Joshua living during the 2nd millennium BCE.

You only started seeing literary evidence that the biblical literature existing, is from 6th century BCE and later.

The oldest evidence was found in the Ketef Hinnom cave that served as a tomb, where silver amulet were found, badly damaged scroll containing the passage from Numbers 6. It is dated between the late 7th century and early 6th century BCE, so somewhere between Josiah's reign and before the Fall of Jerusalem in 587/586 BCE.

The Book of Daniel, on the other hand, was composed as late as first half of 2nd century BCE.

So I agreed with Subduction Zone, that the composition of Hebrew Scriptures were more likely 500-year period, not 1500-years which you have claimed to be.

 

[gnostic]

The thing is, @rrobs, that just as with chairs, I have tangible, demonstrable evidence that humans exist. You have no such evidence for your god. Until you do, the only apt comparison for your god would be faeries and tulpa.

The tulpa don't exist????!!!!

Arrrggghhhhh!!!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Except that it wasn't written within 1500-year period.

There are no evidence that the Hebrew scriptures ever existing in the Bronze Age (c 3100 - c 1100 BCE). Although the Genesis to Deuteronomy - collectively known as the Torah to the Jews and Pentateuch to the Christians - there are no biblical writings existing in Late Bronze Age (c 1550 - c 1100 BCE).

Plus, the Hebrew alphabets were only seen in use until the 10th century (eg Gezer Calendar, the Zayit Stone; neither of them show signs having knowledge of the Torah or Pentateuh).

So if the Ten Commandment actually existed in the Late Bronze Age, the stone tablets would be written in Hebrew, so what writing were used?

Was they written in Egyptian hieroglyphs or Egyptian hieratic?

Canaanite cuneiform?

There are no literary evidence that the Bible existed in the 2nd millennium BCE. And no independent texts (eg Egyptian, Canaanite or Babylonian sources) showed signs that Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses or Joshua living during the 2nd millennium BCE.

You only started seeing literary evidence that the biblical literature existing, is from 6th century BCE and later.

The oldest evidence was found in the Ketef Hinnom cave that served as a tomb, where silver amulet were found, badly damaged scroll containing the passage from Numbers 6. It is dated between the late 7th century and early 6th century BCE, so somewhere between Josiah's reign and before the Fall of Jerusalem in 587/586 BCE.

The Book of Daniel, on the other hand, was composed as late as first half of 2nd century BCE.

So I agreed with Subduction Zone, that the composition of Hebrew Scriptures were more likely 500-year period, not 1500-years which you have claimed to be.

You mentioned the Ten Commandments. They are listed three times in the Bible. Only one of them calls themselves the Ten Commandments in the text itself. The others have that as a feature that was added to the text. Just for fun I suggest that you read Exodus34. It describes the Ten Commandments that supposedly end up in the Ark of the Covenant.

 

[ppp]

The tulpa don't exist????!!!!

Arrrggghhhhh!!!!

I know, I know. All I want to do is to Tiptoe through the tulpa with you.

 

[gnostic]

You mentioned the Ten Commandments. They are listed three times in the Bible. Only one of them calls themselves the Ten Commandments in the text itself. The others have that as a feature that was added to the text. Just for fun I suggest that you read Exodus34. It describes the Ten Commandments that supposedly end up in the Ark of the Covenant.

Whittling away...the 2nd set of tablets must be much smaller than the first.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whittling away...the 2nd set of tablets must be much smaller than the first.

And some very strange Commandments. I can see why that contradictory set does not get much press.

 

[rrobs]

Kinda makes you wonder about all those people who say George Washington lived. Have you met him? I haven't. I guess we take it by "blind" faith.

You provide no foundation or demonstration, but merely your bald assertion. So yeah, are too.

The thing is, @rrobs, that just as with chairs, I have tangible, demonstrable evidence that humans exist. You have no such evidence for your god. Until you do, the only apt comparison for your god would be faeries and tulpa.

I have no evidence for God? You have no idea what I do or don't have.

 

[rrobs]

It is so clear you have no understanding of science so how can you post anything on evolution without any conceptual understanding of evolution. bible = myth for Christian religion. Science = evidence about our world. You may be blind to evolution because you know nothing about it so why make any statement based on blind ignorance about the subject.

And you can make statements about Christians, about which you have no clear understanding? How about I have more understanding about science than you have about the scriptures? You may be too blind to see that for now, but maybe you'll see the truth someday. I'll pray for you.

 

[rrobs]

Except that it wasn't written within 1500-year period.

There are no evidence that the Hebrew scriptures ever existing in the Bronze Age (c 3100 - c 1100 BCE). Although the Genesis to Deuteronomy - collectively known as the Torah to the Jews and Pentateuch to the Christians - there are no biblical writings existing in Late Bronze Age (c 1550 - c 1100 BCE).

Plus, the Hebrew alphabets were only seen in use until the 10th century (eg Gezer Calendar, the Zayit Stone; neither of them show signs having knowledge of the Torah or Pentateuh).

So if the Ten Commandment actually existed in the Late Bronze Age, the stone tablets would be written in Hebrew, so what writing were used?

Was they written in Egyptian hieroglyphs or Egyptian hieratic?

Canaanite cuneiform?

There are no literary evidence that the Bible existed in the 2nd millennium BCE. And no independent texts (eg Egyptian, Canaanite or Babylonian sources) showed signs that Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses or Joshua living during the 2nd millennium BCE.

You only started seeing literary evidence that the biblical literature existing, is from 6th century BCE and later.

The oldest evidence was found in the Ketef Hinnom cave that served as a tomb, where silver amulet were found, badly damaged scroll containing the passage from Numbers 6. It is dated between the late 7th century and early 6th century BCE, so somewhere between Josiah's reign and before the Fall of Jerusalem in 587/586 BCE.

The Book of Daniel, on the other hand, was composed as late as first half of 2nd century BCE.

So I agreed with Subduction Zone, that the composition of Hebrew Scriptures were more likely 500-year period, not 1500-years which you have claimed to be.

Would it make any difference if I told you that the original Hebrew scriptures were not written in modern Hebrew script? The original Hebrew did in fact look much like the hieroglyphics you mentioned.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have no evidence for God? You have no idea what I do or don't have.

No, we have a very good idea. In a debate one supports ones beliefs with evidence. You have presented no evidence for your god therefore the evidence is unlikely to exist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And you can make statements about Christians, about which you have no clear understanding? How about I have more understanding about science than you have about the scriptures? You may be too blind to see that for now, but maybe you'll see the truth someday. I'll pray for you.

What makes you think that atheists do not understand Christianity? Most that you talk to here were Christians and came to atheism through a superior understanding of the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Would it make any difference if I told you that the original Hebrew scriptures were not written in modern Hebrew script? The original Hebrew did in fact look much like the hieroglyphics you mentioned.

What do you mean by "original Hebrew"? What parts of the Bible do you think are older than the Babylonian exile and what evidence do you have for that belief?

 

[ppp]

I have no evidence for God? You have no idea what I do or don't have.

You've made more than 2000 posts here over the last two years attempting to air and support your god beliefs. Has that been an honest forthright effort? Or have you been hiding your absolute best evidence from us?

 

[rrobs]

No, we have a very good idea. In a debate one supports ones beliefs with evidence. You have presented no evidence for your god therefore the evidence is unlikely to exist.

Wow! One person (me) has not presented evidence (in your opinion) so it is unlikely to exist? That's your idea of the scientific method?

But here's your proof:

Rom 12:2,

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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You prove it. Why rely on others to do your homework?

 

[rrobs]

What makes you think that atheists do not understand Christianity? Most that you talk to here were Christians and came to atheism through a superior understanding of the Bible.

Let's see now superior your understanding of the Bible really is; what is the subject of the Bible? Chapter and verse, please. I'll bet you don't even know that, so why pretend you know anything at all about what it says. You don't even know what the book is about!

 

[rrobs]

What do you mean by "original Hebrew"? What parts of the Bible do you think are older than the Babylonian exile and what evidence do you have for that belief?

Obviously you have no real handle on ancient Hebrew script. You think you know way more than you actually know. Not good for a scientist. At least I know my limitations when it comes to science.

 

[rrobs]

You've made more than 2000 posts here over the last two years attempting to air and support your god beliefs. Has that been an honest forthright effort? Or have you been hiding your absolute best evidence from us?

I am an Ambassador for Christ.

2 2Cor 5:20,

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
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An ambassador delivers a message. He is not responsible for the reply.

Thank you for pointing out my success as an ambassador. I didn't realize I've posted so much. Two thousand posts is clear evidence I've carried out my responsibility. My attempts have not been in vain!

 

[ppp]

I am an Ambassador for Christ.

No. You are just a guy who claims to be an ambassador for Christ. One of many, all lacking credentials and singing different, often contradictory tunes.

As I said before:

The thing is, @rrobs, that just as with chairs, I have tangible, demonstrable evidence that humans exist. You have no such evidence for your god. Until you do, the only apt comparison for your god would be faeries and tulpa.