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Greetings exchanged between Muslim & non-Muslim
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angellous_evangellous
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I just say "whaazzzuuuuupppp"
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The scholars differed on this matter, because when Prophet Mohammed instructed the Muslims not to say Salam to the *people of the book* at that time who were only Jews in that area, it was because some Jews used to pass by and say to the Muslims Alsaam alikum (omitting the lam "L") and it means "Death" instead of Alsalaam Alikum, which means peace, but many muslims didn't notice till Prophet Mohammed told them not to greet them using "salam" because the Jews at that time were wishing death for muslims instead of peace.
Keep in mind that the hadith talked about the people of the book "Jews at that area and that time near to the Muslims". Why Prophet Mohammed didn't say don't say salam to ALL non-muslims?
That's why i think this ruling was only applicable to the people of the book at that time who didn't deserve this greeting.
I also remember one hadith "after this incident of the Jews" where Prophet Mohammed was walking with his wife Asiah, and some Jews passed by and said the same thing "death be upon you" then Asiah responded saying "and death and curse of Allah be upon you", but prophet Mohammed prevented her from doing so because he told us how Allah don't like these types of talks, and he adviced her to just say "and upon you", so no matter what the person in front of you said, you would wish him the same in case you didn't hear whether he said sam "death" or salam "peace", just to be safe.
Today, if a non-muslim wished peace for me so i should wish him the same, and vice versa, and that is just my opinion of course, because i'm not a scholar.
Keep in mind that the hadith talked about the people of the book "Jews at that area and that time near to the Muslims". Why Prophet Mohammed didn't say don't say salam to ALL non-muslims?
That's why i think this ruling was only applicable to the people of the book at that time who didn't deserve this greeting.
I also remember one hadith "after this incident of the Jews" where Prophet Mohammed was walking with his wife Asiah, and some Jews passed by and said the same thing "death be upon you" then Asiah responded saying "and death and curse of Allah be upon you", but prophet Mohammed prevented her from doing so because he told us how Allah don't like these types of talks, and he adviced her to just say "and upon you", so no matter what the person in front of you said, you would wish him the same in case you didn't hear whether he said sam "death" or salam "peace", just to be safe.
Today, if a non-muslim wished peace for me so i should wish him the same, and vice versa, and that is just my opinion of course, because i'm not a scholar.
Ringer
Jar of Clay
If I'm understanding the article correctly, a muslim may greet me with "Salam" or "Peace" if they had a "need" for me. However, if they have no need with me they are to use, "Assalamu ala man ittabaa al-huda" or "may peace be upon the guided ones". Apparently, the later is used to not show respect towards me. I'd like to get a muslim's view on this before I jump to any conclusions. It would be interesting to know how a muslim is supposed to distinguish who in the group may potentially be a muslim, non-muslim, Jew, Christian, or an idolator? Probably just wait for me to greet them first, I reckon.
The OP was a sincere attempt to understand proper protocol, not an invitation to debate. I do not wish to greet someone in such a way as to place them in an awkward situation, nor do I wish to insult someone by not responding appropriately.
It was sloppy of me not to place it in the Islam forum. My apologies.
It was sloppy of me not to place it in the Islam forum. My apologies.
That's why i didn't like that article Ringer, and i feel sad that it was written by a Muslim who appear to be an imam or something. What you read there is not true and have no basis in islam. He quoted some true hadiths but then he interpreted it on his own way, added his own view using these hadiths as a false backup. I think the part you mentioned especially was really ridiculous, and i assure you, it's not islamic.
I also hope that you already read my previous post which raised the greeting issue in islamic history in the first place.
I also hope that you already read my previous post which raised the greeting issue in islamic history in the first place.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Ringer
Jar of Clay
Unfortunately, I posted my message before I had a chance to read yours. I got the vibe from reading it that most muslims would object to much of what he said. With that being said, as a general rule of thumb, is it best to wish muslim friends "peace" and expect the same in return?
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angellous_evangellous
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I have found that, "Greetings, your magnificence!" works well!
My wife says "Speak, Great One."
Absolutely. What i'm sure of though is that, if you started saying salam alikum "peace be upon you" to a muslim, he would either say walikum alsalam "and peace be upon you too" in return, or just walikum "and upon you too" as a traditional way of greeting non-muslims based on teachings of some interpreters.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Is there a problem with saying "hello"?
Or what about "greetings" ?
Love
Dallas
Or what about "greetings" ?
Love
Dallas
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angellous_evangellous
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Yes, and if they get offended, kick them in the pants and run away laughing.
"The same to you":run:
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angellous_evangellous
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The world would be a far better place if we all listened to Willie and said "howdy."
Ah, but he says "Hello there, I hope you're doin' fine..."
Ah, but he says "Hello there, I hope you're doin' fine..."
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DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
But would it change the meaning and cause distress if you expounded on that and said ...
"howdy PARTNER"?????
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Dallas
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angellous_evangellous
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Well, it wouldn't change the reaction. Someone being offended by a friendly hello is about as anal retentive as one can possibly be. The appropriate response can only be a kick in the pants..
One day no one will be moody about a hello - until then we can meditate on this.
And, given ... would it work when addressing those despicable (you know who)? After all, its important that these things are respectful of antisemitic folklore.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
But what if I try to kick them in the pants and they do a succesful block and take me by the leg and flip me over their back into the ground?...
Is it THEN O.K for me to say "goodbye" ? Or should I say "shalam goodbye" ?
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Dallas
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angellous_evangellous
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Daggumit, Dallas.
I never had a person do that to me. The trick is to do it fast.
When someone says hello to me and I don't appreciate it, I say "Shut yer ***"
And I've never been kicked.
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angellous_evangellous
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This, by the way, is a very good way to greet co-workers on a Monday morning.