Gun control question

[Wirey]

Now, I know that several of you out there are salivating right now, eager to tell the pro-gun/pro-not getting shot idiots in their place. Knock it off! Can we have one thread that isn't about you ranting?

I saw a cute e-mail that said one guy tried to put a bomb in his shoe, and now we all have to take off our shoes to get on a plane. 75 school shootings since Columbine, and no new gun control laws. Shouldn't one naturally follow the other?

 

[McBell]

75 school shootings since Columbine, and no new gun control laws. Shouldn't one naturally follow the other?

Perhaps it has to with what "laws" are being proposed being essentially worthless?

Or perhaps if the current laws were actually enforced...

Believe it or not, passing more laws "controlling" guns are not going to do any good so long as everyone is turning a blind eye to the signs and symptoms that lead up to the school shootings.

 

[Apex]

Now, I know that several of you out there are salivating right now, eager to tell the pro-gun/pro-not getting shot idiots in their place. Knock it off! Can we have one thread that isn't about you ranting?

I saw a cute e-mail that said one guy tried to put a bomb in his shoe, and now we all have to take off our shoes to get on a plane. 75 school shootings since Columbine, and no new gun control laws. Shouldn't one naturally follow the other?

And yet the TSA is moving away from the policy of having people remove their shoes. Those who register for TSA Pre are already exempt from this policy.

 

[oldbadger]

I saw a cute e-mail that said one guy tried to put a bomb in his shoe, and now we all have to take off our shoes to get on a plane. 75 school shootings since Columbine, and no new gun control laws. Shouldn't one naturally follow the other?

Thank God he didn't hide it in his underpants......

Off subject.... but..... A couple of days ago there was a BBC News report about a brave young US man who tackled a gunman with a CS gas spray..... waited until the murderer needed to reload and then went in and put him down.

 

[Tarheeler]

75 school shootings since Columbine, and no new gun control laws. Shouldn't one naturally follow the other?

Unfortunately it isn't that simple.

Many of the shooting we are seeing are being carried out by people who have legally bought firearms and who have raised no alarms whatsoever. And we do already have laws to prevent things like this.

It's a complicated problem that doesn't have a clear answer. Some of the past proposals make a lot of sense and should probably be implemented: universal background checks for all transfers, information sharing concerning people who are turned down for things like military of police duty due to mental stability, and those who are found to be a danger to themselves or others. Other proposals, like bans on folding stocks or banana clips, offer little chance of being an effective piece of the solution.

But the gun industry is big business, and business runs this country. A few decades ago, the NRA fully supported many of the measures they are currently railing against, and the safety of our children has become a political rallying point for both sides.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Unfortunately it isn't that simple.

Many of the shooting we are seeing are being carried out by people who have legally bought firearms and who have raised no alarms whatsoever. And we do already have laws to prevent things like this.

It's a complicated problem that doesn't have a clear answer. Some of the past proposals make a lot of sense and should probably be implemented: universal background checks for all transfers, information sharing concerning people who are turned down for things like military of police duty due to mental stability, and those who are found to be a danger to themselves or others. Other proposals, like bans on folding stocks or banana clips, offer little chance of being an effective piece of the solution.

But the gun industry is big business, and business runs this country. A few decades ago, the NRA fully supported many of the measures they are currently railing against, and the safety of our children has become a political rallying point for both sides.

I agree here...


I must admit that my thread was sort of tongue in cheek showing the irony of the (good guy with a gun bit) spouted by firearms advocates. I read today that the innocent civilian that was shot at the Wal-Mart too was a (good guy with a gun)...He had a permit to carry his weapon but before he could get off a shot he was mowed down by that other good guy with a gun that had already shot two other good guys with guns while eating lunch.....:areyoucra

We sure do love our guns.....

 

[Revoltingest]

We have had lots'o new gun control laws over the years.
A problem is that neither side is happy with them.

 

[tytlyf]

The NRA is the problem. Too much propaganda scaring the most vulnerable in America. They view any law for gun control is 1 step to confiscation. The problem is mental issues. The majority of Americans and NRA members are in favor of laws for mental illness restrictions on ownership.

The NRA is not what it used to be, these days they spend millions to incite fear and paranoia to their members. And dictating who they vote for.

 

[Quintessence]

I saw a cute e-mail that said one guy tried to put a bomb in his shoe, and now we all have to take off our shoes to get on a plane. 75 school shootings since Columbine, and no new gun control laws. Shouldn't one naturally follow the other?

Apologies, but can we have a reference for this that is a bit more substantive and credible than a "cute e-mail?" I don't trust unsubstantiated hearsay, and neither should the rest of us.

That aside, it's an apples and oranges comparison whether the reference is valid or not. There aren't exactly a bunch of hobbyist bomb-makers who have a bunch of political and social power to demand that they have the right to make bombs. Nor do these hypothetical hobbyist bomb-makers use their explosives for home defense or hunting deer. They do make some sweet hollywood pyrotechnics, though (technically professionals, not hobbyists). EXPLOOOOOOSIONS!!!!!

 

[McBell]

The NRA is the problem. Too much propaganda scaring the most vulnerable in America. They view any law for gun control is 1 step to confiscation. The problem is mental issues. The majority of Americans and NRA members are in favor of laws for mental illness restrictions on ownership.

The NRA is not what it used to be, these days they spend millions to incite fear and paranoia to their members. And dictating who they vote for.

The NRAs fear mongering is contagious, no?

 

[Revoltingest]

The NRAs fear mongering is contagious, no?

The anti-gun lobby has been pretty effective at peddling fear too.

Anyway, here in Michiganistan we have some brand spank'n new gun control legislation.
Concealed pistol permit overhaul OK'd by Michigan Senate in move towards true 'shall issue' state | MLive.com
10 years after concealed weapons law, unclear why many in state were gun-shy | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
The state has taken power away from local gun boards, & vested it in the State Police. This will make concealed permits be issued with more uniform standards per state law. Previously, Wayne County (think Detroit) was more reluctant than the rest of the state to allow legally entitled citizens to carry. This improved law was opposed by state Democrats, likely because of the fear that more Detroiters (a mostly black city) will be carrying & defending themselves.

 

[kashmir]

Last time I checked, criminals could give a hoot about laws, so gun control means zero to them.
Hell, lets just go door to door, take every single gun and destroy them.
Pretty sure a plastic gun made from a 3D printer will have one up and running in no time.

The only real step to take at this point is metal detectors at the doors and armed guards.
Not fly by night donuts eating fatso's either.
Real armed guards, ones not there to flirt with the teachers either.

In my area, even that damn save alot and sparkle stores have cops, they have to.

And, for the love of god, keep the damn court rooms, faces and names of the shooters off the Tv sets.
The one kid smiled at the camera's and loved every bit of the attention he got.
Other kids see this all over the TV, 24/7 and think "I wanna be a hero too"
Nuff said.

 

[Tarheeler]

The ultimate solution to solving gun violence (or violence and crime in general) isn't confiscation, restrictive legislation, or the creation of a police state with cameras and armed guards on every corner. Policies like those are stop-gap measures and not long term tools. The only way to get permanent improvement is to change society and how we see violence as an effective tool. We need a good educational system, a strong and vibrant economy, access to affordable and adequate medical and mental care, and an effective and well funded safety net for times when people slip through the cracks.

 

[metis]

When police forces and the FBI throughout the country say that the proliferation of guns in our society makes us less safe, maybe people should listen to them. We have more guns than any other "civilized" society in the world, and yet we have by far the highest homicide and gun-related death rates as compared to them.

 

[Cardboard]

I say out law all fire arms, because you know, it worked so well with drugs! how could it fail?

 

[kashmir]

When police forces and the FBI throughout the country say that the proliferation of guns in our society makes us less safe, maybe people should listen to them. We have more guns than any other "civilized" society in the world, and yet we have by far the highest homicide and gun-related death rates as compared to them.

Makes zero difference to me, I could care less if no other country even has a bit of crime, we are not them.
YT is full of videos of people protecting themselves from criminals with the intent to rob and leave everyone for dead.
I am 100% against taking the guns from the innocent away and letting the criminals who will know that no one has guns anymore, do what they want, almost freely.

Gun control will never take them from the ones who dont care about laws to begin with.
We cant even keep drugs out of prisons, they even get Iphones smuggled in.
Yet we can control who can have guns on the streets?

 

[Revoltingest]

When police forces and the FBI throughout the country say that the proliferation of guns in our society makes us less safe, maybe people should listen to them. We have more guns than any other "civilized" society in the world, and yet we have by far the highest homicide and gun-related death rates as compared to them.

Do a little research, & you'll discover some interesting things.....unless you think Brazil is uncivilized.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[tytlyf]

When police forces and the FBI throughout the country say that the proliferation of guns in our society makes us less safe, maybe people should listen to them. We have more guns than any other "civilized" society in the world, and yet we have by far the highest homicide and gun-related death rates as compared to them.

The more guns people buy, the more that will end up in the wrong hands due to supply. If responsible gun owners would stop parting ways with their home defense weapons, then there wouldn't be such a problem.

 

[metis]

Makes zero difference to me, I could care less if no other country even has a bit of crime, we are not them.
YT is full of videos of people protecting themselves from criminals with the intent to rob and leave everyone for dead.
I am 100% against taking the guns from the innocent away and letting the criminals who will know that no one has guns anymore, do what they want, almost freely.

Gun control will never take them from the ones who dont care about laws to begin with.
We cant even keep drugs out of prisons, they even get Iphones smuggled in.
Yet we can control who can have guns on the streets?

Was is so typical of the disingenuous way of some is that they automatically jump to the idea that people like me want to take guns away from honest Americans.

 

[metis]

The more guns people buy, the more that will end up in the wrong hands due to supply. If responsible gun owners would stop parting ways with their home defense weapons, then there wouldn't be such a problem.

Two large American studies found that if one keeps a loaded gun in their home, the chances are roughly 20 times greater that they or a member of their family versus the intruder will get killed.

OTOH, what do the police and FBI recommend? First is preventative-- make our house less likely to be broken into to begin with. Second, call 911.

Will either of these two always work? Of course not, but the stats indicate that they work better than playing Rambo.