Gurdjief and the Forth Way

[thedope]

Of course you are going to. This is what you do...and ive come across your kind many times in the past my friend who have attempted to undermine my structure of thought.

You are mistaken. I am not trying to undermine your structure of thought, I am giving you the opportunity to demonstrate how your participation in that system has made you better able to deal with life's contingencies than anyone else.

There are those who encourage their brotbers to excell using any means possible.

That is exactly what I am doing right now, encouraging you to excel.

Then there are those like you who want nothing more than to tear at the fabric of sovereignty. Its embarrassing to say the least that ive continued dialog with the likes of you. You need a role model. Lol.

I like nothing better than getting at the truth. If you are embarrassed it is not my doing.

You may reply but know that this conversation is over. Im not going to suffer your feeble attempts to rupture this model thats extremel effective. Its rather sad indeed.

You've said before what you think you can allow or not and I have demonstrated that you do not display enough permanence to effect one way or another, which is why you are responding yet again. I am 40 years familiar with "the system". I cannot rupture "a model that is extremely effective". The model is effective for those who can use it and it is only effective as ones willingness to use it.
So far you have engaged with me in the most weak minded and frivolously egotistical way. I truly wish that was not the case.

 

[Mr. Cage]

Yes, this model is effective. I do not need your councel to enhance this model. My 35 years of treading the lhp has molded me into something more than what i seem. Ive become aligned and attuned beyond most. This fortified structure is due to this models aid.

Im telling you again, i do not need nor have asked for your councel. Thank you for your time and cooperation concerning this request. However i hope you may find.someone else in the future who could use your advice.

 

[thedope]

I rest my case.

 

[arcanum]

there is no other teachings that I have found that that can effectively lead to the transformation of your being quite like the teachings or Gurdjieff.

 

[Onkara]

there is no other teachings that can transform your being than that of Gurdjieff.

Why do you say that, Arcanum?

 

[arcanum]

Why do you say that, Arcanum?

Yeah that was not really what i meant to say and have since corrected the post. sorry

 

[Onkara]

Yeah that was not really what i meant to say and have since corrected the post. sorry

No problem, I was just wondering if you want to expand on why you think as highly as you do

 

[cchbej25]

Fantastic function in namely respect there.

 

[Capricorn]

Studying his teachings is one thing.. practicing it requires a life time of work... or well so I've heard (I'm still very young and inexperienced). Describing mr. Gurdjieff's work over the internet so one could fully understand it is.. almost impossible. I also think that I am not the best person to explain, but I want to try anyway. To put it short and simple: G. traveled the world to collect knowledge and he visited sacred places. he took all different kinds of spiritual knowledge from the east and I assume he practiced it himself at the time. Then he made it his own and began spreading his teachings here (?) in the west. The main ''objective'' is to achieve true happiness and help yourself. If you help yourself you will be able to help the world. I havent read the whole wikipedia link about G but I guess its good enough. The main idea is that there are 3 ways. Each of these ways is a training for one aspect from us as human being.he combined it together and called it ''The Fourth Way''. According to Gurdjieff ''most people'' are ''sleeping'' and we have but a few moments when we're not sleeping. To get out of this ''sleep'' it is necessary to practice something which is called ''self observation'' and ''self remembering'' and other stuff. I'm not good with terms but I will put it in my own simple words: Feel your body, relax and empty your mind, try to be aware of your feelings/actions/thoughts, embrace yourself. It seems that in order to get it right you must do this every day all day long. you will make yourself more and more sensitive in life. It is wise to began with one of the first steps which is: FEEL YOUR FEET and pay attention to it. try to experience with it but be carefull. things can go wrong. If you want to really do this: search for his books and take a look at some youtube movies (search for: Gurdjieff: Teacher of Radical Transformation) and find other people. there are several gurdjieff foundations throughout europe and america.

 

[apophenia]

I remember a short description of the way of the sly man (the fourth way) where it was stated that the substances required to create the higher-being-body could be obtained in a variety of ways. The monk, fakir and yogi were given as examples of the first three ways. It was said that 'What the monk could produce in weeks of prayer, or the fakir in just days of flagellation (can't remember the precise word used), the yogi could produce in a day of meditation. But the sly man simply swallows a pill which already contains the higher-being-body substance.'

Perhaps someone who has the material could provide the exact quote (from The Fourth Way by Ouspensky ..?) I read that about 35 years ago, and don't have the book now, so the precise wording is hard to recall.

I find that relevant now with the proposed Leahy Bill in the US (which could see all supplements and herbs controlled by the AMA) , and attempts in Australia to ban every plant containing DMT (an absurd idea if there ever was one, yet revealing ...), as well as a host of other traditional shamanic plants (any recognised as such pretty much covers it - health and safety is not the issue).

People often forget (or never discover) that aspect of the 'sly man's way'. And your government would like you to forget it entirely ...so would your local church.

Here's some music from a very sly man. Robert Fripp -

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King Crimson-Neurotica - YouTube

 

[apophenia]

I remember a short description of the way of the sly man (the fourth way) where it was stated that the substances required to create the higher-being-body could be obtained in a variety of ways. The monk, fakir and yogi were given as examples of the first three ways. It was said that 'What the monk could produce in weeks of prayer, or the fakir in just days of flagellation (can't remember the precise word used), the yogi could produce in a day of meditation. But the sly man simply swallows a pill which already contains the higher-being-body substance.'

Perhaps someone who has the material could provide the exact quote (from The Fourth Way by Ouspensky ..?)

No-one ?

I can hear G.I.G right now ..." Fairness ? Decency ? On a planet of sleeping people ? My dear boy you must be joking !"

 

[sarek]

I hear Fourth Way being referred to as LHP. It does to me seem more RHP in nature.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

No-one ?

I can hear G.I.G right now ..." Fairness ? Decency ? On a planet of sleeping people ? My dear boy you must be joking !"

Gurdjieff in "In Search of the Miraculous": "[The substances that a man who follows the Fourth way needs for his aims] can be introduced into the organism from without if it is known how to do it. And so, instead of spending a whole day in exercises like the yogi, a week in prayer like the monk, or a month in self-torture like the fakir, he simply prepares and swallows a little pill which contains all the substances he wants, and, in this way, without loss of time, he obtains the required results."

http://www.whale.to/a/gurdjieff_h.html

 

[sarek]

Ouspensky in ISOTM has indeed mentioned the Gurdjieff's use of certain substances in groups settings that could alternatively disable either one's essence or one's personality, but he gives no further details. Apparently he used it for advanced teaching, not for beginning students.