dynavert2012
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you said what i said before, no need at all for bothering seekers by our debates. but nobody listens
may you are right, and so most of scholars don't accept the hadith if all of it's ways come from only one person, specially if this hadith related to the core of the faith "what called aqeeda" or related to the Jurisprudence "fiqh"
they only accept if the hadith is repeated from more two companion, and those three companions or more had orally told more number of followers and so bukhari or any other scholar could find this hadith from 10 or more different ways some in iraq some in egypt some in syria which makes this hadith more strong and it would be impossible that all of those chains are liars and so it would be counted as authentic and in the same time reliable to take it in Jurisprudence or aqeeda
Muslim's book isn't authentic 100% and there are a lot of scholars whom had comments about some hadith in it, about 12 one as i remember, about Bukhari we say it's the most authentic book after the quran, but for example if a scholar came and says i find non authentic hadith in bukhari will we say that he's not Sunni? surly not, imam ibn hazm if you hear about him had said about a hadith in bukhari as non authentic and he's still counted as Sunni, but that not means that the door is open to everybody to say this hadith isn't OK, this judgement should come from a scholar who's known by his huge knowledge and also his speech must be evaluated, judged and maybe refuted.
about the age of hz. Aysha, what's the importance of it for me or you? actually nothing, there are signs that yeah she got married at 9 years for example she died after 58 year from her marriage with the prophet and so mostly it got married while she was young, but what's the gain to know her age? nothing indeed, even if you accept what imam bukhari narrated that she was 9 when she married him, but by logic it wasn't harmful nor so dangerous at least during this era why? because if it was like that she won't love the prophet that love as she would consider him as a rapist, like if you are in 10 and you are forced to marry a man and you find the sexual relation is harmful you will not love him that love that aysha loved to the prophet, and if the girls' body on that age on that era was weak like yours, you won't find that the people of mecca used to marry in that age as so the marriage relations won't be joyful for both but you'll find that hafsa married her first marriage when she was 9 years, and the father of Amr ibn Elas "the conquer of egypt" begot him while he was 11 and so his wife was younger than him so may it was 10, so to beget on 10, so she married on 9 and there are a lot of examples on that, but at the end what's the gain you got from her age? nothing. it won't increase your faith or decrease it, and if it's really happened so it wasn't harmeful as you think, and if it's not happened so it's not a hadith that related to Jurisprudence or aqeeda and not even said by the prophet
The prophet (pbuh) forbade the writing of Hadith in the early stages of Islam, he feared that his sayings and the Quran would be mixed. Later on when the Quran was nearly completed he allowed for the Hadith to be written, Abu Saeed Al-Khudry reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur’an, he should efface that AND narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me−and Hammam said: I think he also said:” deliberately” −he should in fact find his abode in the Hell−Fire. (Sahih Muslim Book 42, Number 7147)
It is generally known that the prophet (pbuh) discouraged documentation of his own sayings and the sunna at the early stages of his mission in order to preserve the purity of the Quran and prevent any possibility of confusion between Quran and his sunna.
During the latter part of his mission, that is, at the time when much of the Quranic text had already been documented, the prophet responded positively to the request of some of his companions to write his sayings. By the time when most of the of Quran was received, memorised and documented, the prophet permitted documentation of his Sunna and addressed the companions to “preserve knowledge through writing”
he grand-father of Amru ibn Shua'ayb narrated: "Oh prophet of Allah. We hear from you lots of Hadith we can't memorize them. Can't we write them?" The prophet replied: "Yes, write them."
Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-A'*** said: "I used to write down whatever I heard from the Messenger of Allah, so Quraysh prohibited me from doing so saying, `Do you write everything you hear from the Messenger of Allah who is a human being talking in anger or when pleased?' So I stopped writing, then I told the Messenger of Allah about it, whereupon he pointed to his mouth and said, `Keep writing, for by the One Who holds my soul do I swear that nothing comes out of it except the truth.'"
Abu Hurayra narrated: "No one among the companions of the prophet narrated more Hadith than me except Abdullah ibn Amru. He used to write it down and I did not."
and there are a lot of narrators that say that they were writing the hadith.
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