Harris with her so called 'black relatives' along with her background of slavers brought into serious question.

[ImmortalFlame]

Well then point out why it isn't true than just saying.. "hateful garbage '.

Here it is again:

It's the wrong death certificate. They just found someone with the same name and falsely assumed it was her because they listed the wrong death certificate on the FInd a Grave website.

Kamala's grandmother (note the cited death certificate is the one Candace used):

Beril Magdeline Finegan (1917-1995) - Find a...

She married Lawford Newland in 1944.

www.findagrave.com

Birth certificate:

Photos of Beril Magdeline Finegan - Find a Grave...

She married Lawford Newland in 1944.

www.findagrave.com

ACTUAL death certificate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYViHzhXYAU_w0k?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

The person whose death certificate they're (likely) mistaking for hers:

FamilySearch.org

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ancestors.familysearch.org

The incorrectly cited death certificate in question:

https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2024/269/272680650_7e233d32-4596-428c-9b46-405fab472daf.jpeg?size=photos250

The death certificate they provided doesn't even match with the birth certificate they used for Kamala's grandmother. It's obviously not the same person.

Candace Owens literally looked at two different certificates, assumed that - because the names were similar and someone had attributed them to the same page on findagrave.com - they must refer to the same person despite the birth date being different, their birth names being different, marrying different people, dying at completely different times and in completely different circumstances and, crucially, ONE OF THEM NOT BEING THE MOTHER OF KAMALA'S ACTUAL FATHER.

Stop falling for this stupid clickbait. Be smarter than this.

It's pretty obvious there are people out there who say it is true.

There are people out there who are very stupid.

So who is right?

The people who disagree with the stupid people who believe it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Yeah keep saying that as your overlords instruct you to. You can't even come up with a good counter other than saying it's fakeeeeee!

You keep saying this despite the fact that I have provided you with a throrough debunk of the claim. Here:

It's the wrong death certificate. They just found someone with the same name and falsely assumed it was her because they listed the wrong death certificate on the FInd a Grave website.

Kamala's grandmother (note the cited death certificate is the one Candace used):

Beril Magdeline Finegan (1917-1995) - Find a...

She married Lawford Newland in 1944.

www.findagrave.com

Birth certificate:

Photos of Beril Magdeline Finegan - Find a Grave...

She married Lawford Newland in 1944.

www.findagrave.com

ACTUAL death certificate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYViHzhXYAU_w0k?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

The person whose death certificate they're (likely) mistaking for hers:

FamilySearch.org

Discover your family history. Explore the world’s largest collection of free family trees, genealogy records and resources.

ancestors.familysearch.org

The incorrectly cited death certificate in question:

https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2024/269/272680650_7e233d32-4596-428c-9b46-405fab472daf.jpeg?size=photos250

The death certificate they provided doesn't even match with the birth certificate they used for Kamala's grandmother. It's obviously not the same person.

Candace Owens literally looked at two different certificates, assumed that - because the names were similar and someone had attributed them to the same page on findagrave.com - they must refer to the same person despite the birth date being different, their birth names being different, marrying different people, dying at completely different times and in completely different circumstances and, crucially, ONE OF THEM NOT BEING THE MOTHER OF KAMALA'S ACTUAL FATHER.

Stop falling for this stupid clickbait. Be smarter than this.

The claim's done. Stop saying nobody has refuted it.

 

[crossfire]

And others call it real evidence.

Even with my covid-addled brain I could easily pick out the error of the wrong death certificate and it took me all of thirty seconds to find the correct date of death for Beril/Beryl. The resemblance between Beryl and her mother was enough for Candace to speculate that they were the same person, as Candace Owens put forth a lot of effort trying to explain away the wrong birth date and the wrong spouse on the death certificate without seeing these as red-flags that she had the wrong death certificate.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Even with my covid-addled brain I could easily pick out the error of the wrong death certificate and it took me all of thirty seconds to find the correct date of death for Beril/Beryl. The resemblance between Beryl and her mother was enough for Candace to speculate that they were the same person, as Candace Owens put forth a lot of effort trying to explain away the wrong birth date and the wrong spouse on the death certificate without seeing these as red-flags that she had the wrong death certificate.

Thank you for the decent post. Its just what I wanted to hear. A proper counterpoint made because Candace did put forth a fairly convincing presentation.

So it was the name Beril and the name Beryl that is causing confusion?

The only reason how all this started was from that interview with Janet Jackson that got this particular ball rolling and is a reason why I wanted to see what others thought about it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Thank you for the decent post. Its just what I wanted to hear. A proper counterpoint made because Candace did put forth a fairly convincing presentation.

She showed a death certificate with a different name, a different year of death, a different husband, different children, and a different cause and circumstance of death, and just assumed they were the same person as Kamala's grandmother...

How is that convincing?

So it was the name Beril and the name Beryl that is causing confusion?

I've explained this multiple times. Why are you not acknowledging the explanation I have linked you to repeatedly? They used the Find a Grave website that erroneously listed the wrong death certificate. That's all that happened.

 

[crossfire]

Thank you for the decent post. Its just what I wanted to hear. A proper counterpoint made because Candace did put forth a fairly convincing presentation.

So it was the name Beril and the name Beryl that is causing confusion?

The only reason how all this started was from that interview with Janet Jackson that got this particular ball rolling and is a reason why I wanted to see what others thought about it.

Beryl was a pretty common name in the early 20th century. If the Finegans had slaves, the Finegan name has gotta be pretty common there as well. It's not surprising that there were several people named Beryl Finegan.

 

[crossfire]

Another thing Candace did in her presentation was making a big deal about not being able to find anything about some of the names on her mistaken death certificate. Jamaica gets a lot of hurricanes--27 in the 20th century. How many vital records have been lost to hurricanes alone?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course it's best in the left wings interest to keep people in their categories of color and to keep reminding people day in and day out what color they are. Without having the needed victimhood among their chosen and well defined categories and classes of specially selected people , the modern day Democrat party would just fall apart and they can't use the word racist anymore to discourage and guilt people from saying things they don't agree with if they can't censor them first.

Projection.

 

[Kathryn]

But you keep telling us that your children are part "Black". The concept is part of your culture, regardless of how "colour blind" you think you are.

And, to make the point again, what your culture tells you "Black" is, or "part Black" means, might be different than what someone else's culture tells them. It is a cultural concept.

Actually I generally use the term African American. And they ARE half African American.

And there's no iindication of any mixture of any other type of blood on their dad's side or mine. Maybe way, way back, I don't know but surely nothing very recent and by recent I mean in the last 150 or so years.

 

[SkepticThinker]

With the kind of evidence presented by the video creators, Harris herself is strangely quiet about all this stuff. I'm pretty sure she knows what people are saying about her and if all this is not true then why isn't Harris suing them?

Perhaps she thinks it's a silly waste of time and resources and wants to focus on important things like policy or the content of peoples' character.

 

[F1fan]

That's because Democrats made laws and regulations that destroyed my career.

Asbestos worker?

 

[wellwisher]

Her father is black and her mother is Indian. What's so hard to understand?
The conservative culture is obsessed with race.

Harris's father was Jamaican, which is a melting pot of African, Indian, British and Chinese. It was a British Colony who imported immigrants and slaves for farm labor from its many other colonies.

The real unspoken problem is the old racist DNC tradition, called the drop of blood standard. If one is 1/32 black DNA and 31/32 other ; white, you are still considered black, as sort of an insult to blacks; black contamination.

The one-drop rule was a legal principle of racial classification that was prominent in the 20th-century United States. It asserted that any person with even one ancestor of black ancestry ("one drop" of "black blood") is considered black (Negro or colored in historical terms).I t is an example of hypodescent, the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union between different socioeconomic or ethnic groups to the group with the lower status, regardless of proportion of ancestry in different groups.[3]

One-drop rule - Wikipedia.

If Harris was not being so racist, following that Democrat tradition, she would do the math and her sum of nature; DNA and nurture; upbringing, would makes her multi-racial but more Asian Indian than Black. The same was true of Obama. That is the modern non-racist standard. Instead she uses the drop of blood standard, used to pander to blacks, but in an insider's insulting way.
Hypodescent - Wikipedia

There is no room for classic DNC racism in the USA. We need to outgrow that drop of blood racist standard. But that will need the DNC to be honest and not keep using that same ole racist scam for the black vote.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually I generally use the term African American. And they ARE half African American.

And there's no iindication of any mixture of any other type of blood on their dad's side or mine. Maybe way, way back, I don't know but surely nothing very recent and by recent I mean in the last 150 or so years.

I have inter-racial family.
There's never been an occasion to refer to their racial make-up.
Not by anyone I've ever heard.
How often do you address race of family members?

 

[Kathryn]

I have inter-racial family.
There's never been an occasion to refer to their racial make-up.
Not by anyone I've ever heard.

So does anyone you know well call them "black" or interracial or biracial? I mean, I don't know their bloodlines or family history.

 

[F1fan]

Harris's father was Jamaican, which is a melting pot of African, Indian, British and Chinese. It was a British Colony who imported immigrants and slaves for farm labor from its many other colonies.

Look at you getting something right.

The real unspoken problem is the old racist DNC tradition, called the drop of blood standard. If one is 1/32 black DNA and 31/32 other ; white, you are still considered black, as sort of an insult to blacks; black contamination.

Back when democrats were the conservtives and republicans were the liberals. Yes, the conservatives back then were racist as they were called the Confederacy, and looking at what MAGA is doing, as led by the criminal candidate and Vance, the racism is alive and well. It is in their core beliefs. Look at them go after Haitians as if they are subhuman, and not worthy of human rights and dignity.

One-drop rule - Wikipedia.

If Harris was not being so racist, following that Democrat tradition, she would do the math and her sum of nature; DNA and nurture; upbringing, would makes her multi-racial but more Asian Indian than Black. The same was true of Obama. That is the modern non-racist standard. Instead she uses the drop of blood standard, used to pander to blacks, but in an insider's insulting way.
Hypodescent - Wikipedia

There is no room for classic DNC racism in the USA. We need to outgrow that drop of blood racist standard. But that will need the DNC to be honest and not keep using that same ole racist scam for the black vote.

So you are trying to hang the racism of democrats when they were the racist conservtives 150 years ago onto her as a half black woman in the 21st century?

That's some twisted thinking.

 

[Revoltingest]

So does anyone you know well call them "black" or interracial or biracial?

Not that I've ever heard.
It's never been an issue.

I mean, I don't know their bloodlines or family history.

It will remain so.

 

[Kathryn]

Not that I've ever heard.
It's never been an issue.

It will remain so.

And that's fine by me. I don't care one way or the other. I only bring up my own kids because it's pertinent to the conversation.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So does anyone you know well call them "black" or interracial or biracial? I mean, I don't know their bloodlines or family history.

My niece and nephew are biracial. Nobody has ever referred to them that way though.
We just call them people.

 

[Revoltingest]

And that's fine by me. I don't care one way or the other. I only bring up my own kids because it's pertinent to the conversation.

And I brought up mine.

 

[Kathryn]

My niece and nephew are biracial. Nobody has ever referred to them that way though.
We just call them people.

That's great! Nobody though? That's a big net! Actually, I don't think you can say that accurately.