Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

[Terrywoodenpic]

You don't need to be in a debate with me, [/color]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theonomy

We certainly don't need to debate with you....

Your views are as far removed from my beliefs as Theonomy.

When you learn to listen and understand what people say to you, and you learn from it, then you may find you could be taken seriously.

Terry_______________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

 

[lilithu]

You don't need to be in a debate with me, you merely need to infer that my position is invalid because of my person. That is excatly the inference you pushed.

Dude, for someone who picks nits about what was said and not said, you're not very good at keeping track of it yourself. I never claimed your position within the debate was incorrect. As I said in my first post to you in this thread, I am aware that there is plenty of stuff in the bible to support your position. My questioning your motives had nothing to do with the biblical validity or lack thereof of your position. As I said, I simply thought it stinks to go on letting people assume that you're one of them when you're arguing with them. And if you really don't think that makes a difference in how they approach you, again, you should have no problem with my pointing it out that you're not.

As to the letter vs the spirit, how would you like to debate it.

As I said, I don't.

As long as people are practicing tolerance of other views, I personally don't care where they got their beliefs from, whether it was scripture or reason or the still small voice inside that some of us call a conscience. That is the basis of my hermeneutic system. Yes, scripture can say some crappy things, just as it can say some sublime things. They're both in there. It's a veritable buffet of different spiritual positions. I prefer to partake of the sublime stuff because it promotes harmony between peoples and makes me happier. Because it is in keeping with what my conscience says. You want to focus on the crappy stuff, fine. I never said it was bibically or logically invalid. I questioned why you want to do it. What do you get out of it? It's obviously not because you believe it's God's word. I'm not looking to win a cute little debate; I'm looking for truth and honesty.

 

[JerryL]

We certainly don't need to debate with you....

~sigh~ gee, thanks for the witty rejoinder.

When you learn to listen and understand what people say to you, and you learn from it, then you may find you could be taken seriously.

You mean like how you read my post discussing whether one must be engaged in direct debate in order for a comment to be an ad hominym and then totally failed to understand the post and respond to something entirely different?

That kind of listening and understanding? Perhaps you should look at the log in your own eye.

 

[JerryL]

Dude, for someone who picks nits about what was said and not said, you're not very good at keeping track of it yourself. I never claimed your position within the debate was incorrect.

Nor did I say that you said that. I said you inferred it.

And if you really don't think that makes a difference in how they approach you, again, you should have no problem with my pointing it out that you're not.

Again, I did not say that it made no difference in how people approached it, I said it had no bearing on the discussion. (ad hominyms are fallacious because they have no bearing, and they are used because they have effect)

As long as people are practicing tolerance of other views, I personally don't care where they got their beliefs from, whether it was scripture or reason or the still small voice inside that some of us call a conscience.

So as long as they share your view of tolerance (which is, again, anti-biblical).

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Is there any chance some one could get this thread back on topic.

and Clear out the off topic posts including mine.

Thanks

Terry_________________________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

I love the Harry Potter books, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with reading them. When you start going around trying to petrify people by saying "petrificus totalus" and attempting to fly a broomstick, then I might get worried.

 

[nutshell]

I second that...

 

[lilithu]

Again, I did not say that it made no difference in how people approached it, I said it had no bearing on the discussion.

Referring back to the OP:

For the Christians: Do you believe reading/watching Harry Potter can have a negative effect on a Christian and if so, why do you believe this?

emphasis mine.

Is there any chance some one could get this thread back on topic.

and Clear out the off topic posts including mine.

I think it would be extremely difficult for any moderator to go thru each post and decide which were "off topic" and which were not. Interpretation is always subjective.

 

[michel]

Referring back to the OP:
emphasis mine.


I think it would be extremely difficult for any moderator to go thru each post and decide which were "off topic" and which were not. Interpretation is always subjective.

Phew! Thanks, lilithu.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

The Bible is being left at home and the Harry Potter books brought to church. Do you want your kids learning how to combat Satan and evil using Harry Potter methods or methods of the Bible.

Gee, I dunno, how about teaching your kids the difference between reality and fantasy? The favourite movie of my now 4 year old daughter is Resident Evil. She thinks zombies are a joke. Maybe if we stopped running around shrieking 'children are impressionable and can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy' and tried teaching them to distinguish between reality and fantasy, things might work out better for everyone.
As an aside...how many people here sustained severe bruising or a broken limb by jumping off something wearing a superman costume, or a towel tied around their neck? Gonna ban Superman as an agent of the devil, are we?

 

[Quoth The Raven]

God's upset is in the ability of man to, independant of him, accomplish anything. There is no indication that it's the nature of the tower (other than it's nature as "otherwise impossable") that causes problem.

Then that would be an act of stupidity on his part to have created them with that ability, if he's just going to get sooky about it later. That's like me teaching a parrot to speak and then getting pissed off because it has a conversation with someone else.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

Once again, it's only a movie. To say it promotes witchcraft is saying so does Peter Pan. Or dumbo. Or most children's books. I'd much rather have my kids watch Harry Potter then some movie where people are killing each other.

Dumbo is worse, because it promotes talking animals and the potential for elephants to become independantly (there's that independance thing again, rearing it's ugly head) airborne. That is truly evil...consider what a flock of pigeons can do and then imagine they was elephants instead... . It doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I'll be glad to do that as soon as you show me where God condemned doing good in the face of evil!

It's not. What does that have to do with this conversation?


But the definition of "good" is what's in question. Tell me where God has held up those who took personal power apart from God.

 

[Storm Moon]

Gee maybe some of us would be happy if we banned ALL forms of entertainment and went back to the dark ages.... kidding of course lol

 

[jeffrey]

Dumbo is worse, ....consider what a flock of pigeons can do and then imagine they was elephants instead... . It doesn't bear thinking about.

And remember, SNOW WHITE. She was in reality a heroin addict. And her 7 little buddies. Happy smoked pot. Sleepy was into reds. Sneezey, snorted coke. Grumpy, to much speed. Dopey was into everything. Doc was their connection. Bashful didn't do drugs, he was paranoid enough on his own.

 

[Ormiston]

I'm sort of torn myself. I mean, I can't decide if I should let my five year old daughter watch Harry Potter or the Pashion of the Christ. Any suggestions?

 

[jeffrey]

I'm sort of torn myself. I mean, I can't decide if I should let my five year old daughter watch Harry Potter or the Pashion of the Christ. Any suggestions?

My kids have seen both. And understand the difference between the 2.

 

[Ormiston]

My kids have seen both. And understand the difference between the 2.

Well, in all honesty, my daughter has seen Harry Potter and loves it. She has not and will not be watching the Passion. I enjoyed it but I can't imagine the irreperable harm it would do to her. That was the point of my previous post.

 

[Sunstone]

I'd be very reluctant to allow a 5 year old to view the Passion. Too violent.

Can you imagine what a Harry Potter movie directed by Mel Gibson would look like? :biglaugh: It'd be rated R for the blood alone.

 

[jeffrey]

She has not and will not be watching the Passion. I enjoyed it but I can't imagine the irreperable harm it would do to her. That was the point of my previous post.

I understand. I allowed my kids to wash passion so they could understand what Christ went through for us. It was a hard choice, and maybe not the right one.