Harsh Truth: If Intelligent Design is Untestable . . .

[gnostic]

You seriously need to brush on WW2 history, Mohammad.

Nazi Germany was never atheistic state.

By linking atheism to the Nazi just showed how desperate, ignorant and dishonest you.

Before I had put you in the ignore list, I told you clearly that I have never supported the nazi or the communist, but you kept accusing me of being one. You kept twisting my words around or ignore them. You are not being s#@@#@, but you are an immoral liar.

You also keep trying to trying to change definitions to words, and applying them incorrectly to thing have no relation to those words. You don't even know what subjectivity mean, because clearly you are misapplying to people who don't reject subjectivity.

Look at your own religion and to Muslims, because if anyone is Social Darwinist, it is the Muslims, but you are just too blind to see it.

 

[Deathbydefault]

The statement "I like icecream" is an opinion. That means in reaching the conclusion there was an alternative available, like to say it is disgusting, and the word like refers to a love for the icecream, from which love the words "I like icecream" are chosen. Always with opinions it has the structure of choosing about what it is that chooses. In this case there was a choice between like and disgust, and "what it is that chooses" is the love for icecream.

Ugh, I haven't payed attention to this thread in a day and you make like 7 posts.
Well, I'm only replying to this because everything else is points that have already been refuted.

The statement, "I like ice cream" is a fact.
It is a fact to me that I like ice cream.

For it to be an opinion I would have to state it as, "ice cream is better than any other cold treat".

Second grade, sir.
Second grade.

The word 'like', in particular, can be used for factual or comparative statements.
Words such as, disgusting, gross, pure, evil, good, and bad, are used for opinions.

You learned this in school so I shouldn't need to carry on.

Peace.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Ugh, I haven't payed attention to this thread in a day and you make like 7 posts.
Well, I'm only replying to this because everything else is points that have already been refuted.

The statement, "I like ice cream" is a fact.
It is a fact to me that I like ice cream.

For it to be an opinion I would have to state it as, "ice cream is better than any other cold treat".

Second grade, sir.
Second grade.

The word 'like', in particular, can be used for factual or comparative statements.
Words such as, disgusting, gross, pure, evil, good, and bad, are used for opinions.

You learned this in school so I shouldn't need to carry on.

Peace.

I don't know in what class in school you learned that, but it is wrong. The way I say it, is how it works in common discourse, and creationism. For thousands of years it has been so.

When was it then that science "found out" how subjectivity "actually" works, and they started correcting common discourse of people?

Ask your psychologist how subjectivity works.

 

[Kirran]

I don't know in what class in school you learned that, but it is wrong. The way I say it, is how it works in common discourse, and creationism. For thousands of years it has been so.

When was it then that science "found out" how subjectivity "actually" works, and they started correcting common discourse of people?

Ask your psychologist how subjectivity works.

Mohammad, respectfully, English is your second language.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You seriously need to brush on WW2 history, Mohammad.

Nazi Germany was never atheistic state.

By linking atheism to the Nazi just showed how desperate, ignorant and dishonest you.

Before I had put you in the ignore list, I told you clearly that I have never supported the nazi or the communist, but you kept accusing me of being one. You kept twisting my words around or ignore them. You are not being s#@@#@, but you are an immoral liar.

You also keep trying to trying to change definitions to words, and applying them incorrectly to thing have no relation to those words. You don't even know what subjectivity mean, because clearly you are misapplying to people who don't reject subjectivity.

Look at your own religion and to Muslims, because if anyone is Social Darwinist, it is the Muslims, but you are just too blind to see it.

Your re-definition of subjectivity is garbage. And you wouldn't know how subjectivity works being an evolutionist. On this issue of how subjectivity works the scientific community of evolutionists have the authority of a history of social darwinism resulting in the holocaust.

I mainly just accuse you of rejecting subjectivity, and the other accusations are based off that.

 

[Kirran]

Your re-definition of subjectivity is garbage. And you wouldn't know how subjectivity works being an evolutionist. On this issue of how subjectivity works the scientific community of evolutionists have the authority of a history of social darwinism resulting in the holocaust.

I mainly just accuse you of rejecting subjectivity, and the other accusations are based off that.

Mohammad, seriously, Social Darwinism is not some logical consequence of evolutionism. Genuinely. It is a separate thing. I am an evolutionist, and I don't reject subjectivity, and I certainly don't support Social Darwinism.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Mohammad, respectfully, English is your second language.

Subjectivity works the same in any language. It always has the structure of choosing about what it is that chooses.

See the people who insist that "I like icecream" is a statement of fact insist on their authority on how subjectivity works. You all got nothing, you're all social darwinists, you have no idea about it at all how to distinguish fact from opinion.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Mohammad, seriously, Social Darwinism is not some logical consequence of evolutionism. Genuinely. It is a separate thing. I am an evolutionist, and I don't reject subjectivity, and I certainly don't support Social Darwinism.

Is a lot of vacuous political correctness, because you explicitly reject reaching the conclusion about the identity of the agency of a decision, by choosing the conclusion. You regard agency of decision as an issue of fact, which means you regard the goodness or evil of the man as being the owner of his decisions, as a fact.

 

[Kirran]

Subjectivity works the same in any language. It always has the structure of choosing about what it is that chooses.

See the people who insist that "I like icecream" is a statement of fact insist on their authority on how subjectivity works. You all got nothing, you're all social darwinists, you have no idea about it at all how to distinguish fact from opinion.

No, the meanings of words are not the same in every language.

Mohammed, 'I like icecream' is a fact. Because one who says that actually does like icecream, do you understand? To say 'Icecream is good' or 'Icecream is better than curry' are subjective opinions.

That is me distinguishing fact from opinion.

 

[Kirran]

Is a lot of vacuous political correctness, because you explicitly reject reaching the conclusion about the identity of the agency of a decision, by choosing the conclusion. You regard agency of decision as an issue of fact, which means you regard the goodness or evil of the man as being the owner of his decisions, as a fact.

Not to be insulting, but this was structured very strangely, and I think your English skills are somewhat lacking grammatically. Could you please rephrase this more clearly?

 

[jonathan180iq]

Ugh, I haven't payed attention to this thread in a day and you make like 7 posts.
Well, I'm only replying to this because everything else is points that have already been refuted.

The statement, "I like ice cream" is a fact.
It is a fact to me that I like ice cream.

For it to be an opinion I would have to state it as, "ice cream is better than any other cold treat".

Second grade, sir.
Second grade.

The word 'like', in particular, can be used for factual or comparative statements.
Words such as, disgusting, gross, pure, evil, good, and bad, are used for opinions.

You learned this in school so I shouldn't need to carry on.

Peace.

Interestingly enough, my son recently completed 2nd grade and we had many conversations like this during that period of the year. His little brain even expanded on the thought when he asked me if the things that he has heard in church with his mother were facts or opinions... It's a shame really that adults forget the things they learned when they were 7 years old.

 

[gnostic]

Your re-definition of subjectivity is garbage. And you wouldn't know how subjectivity works being an evolutionist. On this issue of how subjectivity works the scientific community of evolutionists have the authority of a history of social darwinism resulting in the holocaust.

I mainly just accuse you of rejecting subjectivity, and the other accusations are based off that.

I didn't give you a definition on subjectivity. So you're attacking straw man.

I merely stated that the atheism have nothing to do with the holocaust or with the Nazi, and Nazi Germany was never atheistic country. This has nothing to do with subjectivity, but your lack of understanding history.

What I did say about subjectivity is that you don't understand it and you are using this word incorrectly.

That's all I said. So I didn't give you any definition to subjectivity. Again you're speaking nonsense.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I don't know in what class in school you learned that, but it is wrong. The way I say it, is how it works in common discourse, and creationism. For thousands of years it has been so.

When was it then that science "found out" how subjectivity "actually" works, and they started correcting common discourse of people?

Ask your psychologist how subjectivity works.

Well then we are very obviously using different definitions for the words "fact" and "opinion".
I would like you to cite your source for your definitions, please.

I would also like to point out that that a definition for a word is an official thing, not something you can change on the fly.
So, as far as I can see, you are using a different definition therefore you should be using a different word.

If you cannot provide definitions for the words that suits your claims of what they mean then please do not use those words.
Fact | Definition of fact by Merriam-Webster
Opinion | Definition of opinion by Merriam-Webster
These are my definitions, and I provide more detailed ones as well, if you wish.

Peace.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Mohammed, 'I like icecream' is a fact. Because one who says that actually does like icecream, do you understand? To say 'Icecream is good' or 'Icecream is better than curry' are subjective opinions.

That is me distinguishing fact from opinion.

That is demonstrating you have no clue whatsoever what a fact and an opinion is. Produce the scientific paper then entitled "I like icecream". I bet the abstract reads; yummie, yummie, yummie, I got love in my tummy.

You're all off your rocker obviously. Consider that a few thousand years old religious tradition, the Abrahamic religions, with a few billion adherents has a better clue on how subjectivity works than a few intellectuals fantasizing how it works while they are writing their postings on the internet.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Well then we are very obviously using different definitions for the words "fact" and "opinion".
I would like you to cite your source for your definitions, please.

I would also like to point out that that a definition for a word is an official thing, not something you can change on the fly.
So, as far as I can see, you are using a different definition therefore you should be using a different word.

If you cannot provide definitions for the words that suits your claims of what they mean then please do not use those words.
Fact | Definition of fact by Merriam-Webster
Opinion | Definition of opinion by Merriam-Webster
These are my definitions, and I provide more detailed ones as well, if you wish.

Peace.

I already did provide the definitions of objectivity and subjectivity, fact and opinion, to you, and these definitions are in line with common discourse, as I proved by deconstructing statements like "the painting is beautiful".

And dictionary definitions are vague and useless.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Guys, I strongly recommend putting Muhammad Nur Syamsu on ignore. He has absolutely zero ability to honestly or intellectually engage with anybody who doesn't share his bizarre interpretations and definitions (which basically means everyone). There are very few people I would say this about, but I honestly believe he is completely beyond any kind of reason or intellectual discussion, and any time spent trying to explain reality to him is better used doing something more productive, like trying to turn rocks into cheese, or watching a dog chase their tail, or reading 50 Shades of Gray. Just put him on ignore and maybe he will go away.

 

[Kirran]

That is demonstrating you have no clue whatsoever what a fact and an opinion is. Produce the scientific paper then entitled "I like icecream". I bet the abstract reads; yummie, yummie, yummie, I got love in my tummy.

One can have a fact without it being enough for a scientific paper.

If somebody likes icecream, they in fact do like icecream. It is true that they have a preference for icecream. Therefore it's a statement of fact. In the same me saying, I am writing on a keyboard, is a statement of objective fact.

An example of subjectivity would be 'Icecream is good', because that is an opinion, or 'Keyboards are annoying to write on' which is also an opinion.

You're all off your rocker obviously. Consider that a few thousand years old religious tradition, the Abrahamic religions, with a few billion adherents has a better clue on how subjectivity works than a few intellectuals fantasizing how it works while they are writing their postings on the internet.

According to you. This isn't quantifiable. It's opinion, it's subjective, and you're trying to make it objective.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I have chosen this image to represent sentiments expressed in this thread - If you doubt my selection of this gif then you obviously don't know how choosing works.
This gif is an objective fact, because it was selectively chosen by me in common discourse.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I already did provide the definitions of objectivity and subjectivity, fact and opinion, to you, and these definitions are in line with common discourse, as I proved by deconstructing statements like "the painting is beautiful".

And dictionary definitions are vague and useless.

You are absolutely intolerable.
Let me make this clear so that your thick skull can process this.

A official definition for a word is the official meaning of that word.
You do not have the right to argue with that meaning.
I don't see what you don't get here.

Every post I read of yours seems to only make me stupider.
-.-

 

[Kirran]

Guys, I strongly recommend putting Muhammad Nur Syamsu on ignore. He has absolutely zero ability to honestly or intellectually engage with anybody who doesn't share his bizarre interpretations and definitions (which basically means everyone). There are very few people I would say this about, but I honestly believe he is completely beyond any kind of reason or intellectual discussion, and any time spent trying to explain reality to him is better used doing something more productive, like trying to turn rocks into cheese, or watching a dog chase their tail, or reading 50 Shades of Gray. Just put him on ignore and maybe he will go away.

I tell myself this. Then come back. We'd need a concerted effort.