Harsh Truth: If Intelligent Design is Untestable . . .

[Bunyip]

For unbelievers it has no relevance at all. But my beliefs are not forced on me at all. My own eyes and common sense tell me that design requires a designer. If you don't want to accept that.....that is your choice. It is not my choice.

No, you are being dishonest. If design requires a designer - who designed god?

There is no conflict with the evidence.



You have no idea of the power behind the fraud. There is no point in trying to explain, you wouldn't believe it anyway. Everyone will one day.

Mate, the fraud you propose to believe in is so utterly unbelievable it makes the story of Noah seem rational by comparison.

 

[shawn001]

You might as well give up trying to talk to evolutionists.

There is no use in tallking to people who don't accept as fact that freedom is real and relevant. Somehow reasonability requires to accept that freedom is real and relevant, as an axiomiatic assumption. Otherwise people start talking nonsense.

In evolution there is survival of the fittest.

"freedom is real and relevant"

If your free you don't get eaten and that is relevant.

 

[JM2C]

No principle?


My principles (including my morality) are lot better than most Christians. You don't have to be Christian or any other religious person, to be principled.


You don''t know me, so don't judge me, you pious hypocrite!


Jesus told you (not you personally, but Christians in general) not to judge (or persecute) others, and it is one of my favorite teachings from Jesus...and yet it seemed to be the hardest one for some Christians to follow.

Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God is impossible to be known or proven, but here you are quoting the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Do you believe now that there is God?

So, who is the “HYPOCRITE” here, you or me?

 

[JM2C]

Is it that you do not find your childish comments childish because you sincerely believe them?

Nice words you have there. From your fantasy books again?

 

[JM2C]

You have two one liners in a row.

What did Jesus say about hypocrites?


Please note that your blatant avoidance of the question was not ignored.

From one-liner to two-liners, that is an improvement. About the hypocrites? Ask the other ninja.

 

[JM2C]

Where is your evidence for this claim? Supply the peer-reviewed research that established that figure.


And no, "we didn't think it could last that long so we didn't bother looking" is not peer-reviewed research.

Where is your evidence that I don’t have a claim?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

@JM2C are you going to respond to my previous posts?

 

[gnostic]

Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God is impossible to be known or proven, but here you are quoting the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Do you believe now that there is God?

So, who is the “HYPOCRITE” here, you or me?

It's precisely the sort of attitude that when I had nearly join a 2nd baptism, I had argument with pastor, in which I didn't go through the baptism.

It wasn't Jesus that put me off joining the church, it was pastor's need to brand me heretic for expressing my view that he didn't like. Telling me that I would go to hell didn't help matter. A couple years, I didn't have time to look for a new church, being to busy with my studies and then with work, that I didn't pick up the bible in 10 years.

Me quoting Jesus, has nothing to do with bloody god. I actually respected some of Jesus' teachings, with regards on how to treat others, but I no longer have any high regards about God or about afterlife in heaven, because I don't think either God or heaven exist.

What pisses me off, are Christians like you. Don't bother to reply to me in the future, because I no longer have any desire to say anything to you.

 

[JM2C]

JM2C


Just FYI, radio active decay as a dating technique is so astonishingly accurate that the same phenomenon is used to time the races in the Olympics.

You are talking about a contained environment radioactive decaying or a calculator, sure you could do that, but when you’re talking about those found in situ almost all of them are contaminated so it all now depends on when the radioactive isotopes or radioisotopes starts the “clock” on which no one can ever pinpoint the exact time or when the “clock” started.

IOW, in theory all they have are age assignments or estimates based on their skewed millions of years doctrines and not on standard studies.

Can you explain the collagen protein they’ve found in T-Rex?

 

[McBell]

Nice words you have there. From your fantasy books again?

More blatant avoidance.

Seems you are the biggest offender of that which you whine so much about.

 

[Bunyip]

You are talking about a contained environment radioactive decaying or a calculator, sure you could do that, but when you’re talking about those found in situ almost all of them are contaminated so it all now depends on when the radioactive isotopes or radioisotopes starts the “clock” on which no one can ever pinpoint the exact time or when the “clock” started.

IOW, in theory all they have are age assignments or estimates based on their skewed millions of years doctrines and not on standard studies.

Can you explain the collagen protein they’ve found in T-Rex?

Yesof course I can, just read the original papers- they found FRAGMENTS OF MINERALISED COLLAGEN on a 60 million year old fossil. The astonishingly blatant fraud of the creationists was to invent a lie that unfossilised soft tissues had been found. Fragments of mineralised collagen and soft tissue are completely different things.

 

[JM2C]

It's precisely the sort of attitude that when I had nearly join a 2nd baptism, I had argument with pastor, in which I didn't go through the baptism.


It wasn't Jesus that put me off joining the church, it was pastor's need to brand me heretic for expressing my view that he didn't like. Telling me that I would go to hell didn't help matter. A couple years, I didn't have time to look for a new church, being to busy with my studies and then with work, that I didn't pick up the bible in 10 years.

Blaming others is another way of escaping responsibilities.

Me quoting Jesus, has nothing to do with bloody god. I actually respected some of Jesus' teachings, with regards on how to treat others, but I no longer have any high regards about God or about afterlife in heaven, because I don't think either God or heaven exist.


What pisses me off, are Christians like you. Don't bother to reply to me in the future, because I no longer have any desire to say anything to you.

Christian like me? How about agnostic like who don’t have any principle/tenet at all. The Jesus that you know is the same as “The Word”, “and the Word was God”

JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[JM2C]

@JM2C are you going to respond to my previous posts?

Can you post that again?

 

[JM2C]

Yesof course I can, just read the original papers- they found FRAGMENTS OF MINERALISED COLLAGEN on a 60 million year old fossil. The astonishingly blatant fraud of the creationists was to invent a lie that unfossilised soft tissues had been found. Fragments of mineralised collagen and soft tissue are completely different things.

I don’t think you understand what you’re saying here. Collagen found in bones of T-rex was tested by independent labs.

Consider this reasoning:

1) 60 million year old dinosaur fossil.

2) Base on any studies collagen cannot survive anywhere near that long. Collagen protein could remain in the bones for 30,000 years and collagen contains carbon. A half-life of Carbon can be accurately tested up to 5700 years.

3) Collagen has been identified in dinosaur fossil.

But you still insist that the dinosaur fossil is 60 million year old even though there is evidence that it is only about 5700 year old or less based on 14C dating.

This matches the history given to us in the book of Genesis.

 

[JM2C]

More blatant avoidance.


Seems you are the biggest offender of that which you whine so much about.

You like this word “blatant” so much. I think you’ve told me this more than anyone else in this forum. Is this Terry Goodkind’s favorite word because I was searching The Sword of Truth, The Law of Nines, and The Omen Machine series but can’t find one or was it from another fantasy books?

 

[Bunyip]

I don’t think you understand what you’re saying here. Collagen found in bones of T-rex was tested by independent labs.

Spare me the spin mate, I read the original papers. Try defrauding somebody who hasn't.

Consider this reasoning:

1) 60 million year old dinosaur fossil.

2) Base on any studies collagen cannot survive anywhere near that long. Collagen protein could remain in the bones for 30,000 years and collagen contains carbon. A half-life of Carbon can be accurately tested up to 5700 years.

Yeah mate, the collagen didn't survive, only FRAGMENTS of mineralised collagen.

3) Collagen has been identified in dinosaur fossil.

But you still insist that the dinosaur fossil is 60 million year old even though there is evidence that it is only about 5700 year old or less based on 14C dating.

This matches the history given to us in the book of Genesis.

Yes the fossil is 60 million years old, read The original papers - they establish that very clearly.
I would advise you against applying this particular scam, because it relies on a high degree of stupidiy from your targets. They only need to be smart enough to figure out that if the fossil T-Rex was only 5700 years old as you say - it could not have fossilised.

Fossils don't form that fast.

Not to forget either that if any of your targets do look at the original research by Mary Sweitzer they will see the con instantly. They will also discover that the fragments of mineralised collagen the creationists attempt to spin into unfossilised soft tissue turned out to be a contaminant.

Lastly I would suggest that you edit the claim about using c14 dating on fossils to give the date of 5700 years. C14 dating does not work for dating fossils, people will just laugh at that claim.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Can you post that again?

No. but they are posts number 823, 827, 835 and 848.

I explained why they didn't use a method of dating that they knew would be wrong. I explained that single example of a "young" dinosaur was revealed to be fraudulent. Those where the two main things. I answered a few other questions of yours but you never responded.

 

[David M]

I don’t think you understand what you’re saying here. Collagen found in bones of T-rex was tested by independent labs.

No it wasn't. This is not true.

2) Base on any studies collagen cannot survive anywhere near that long. Collagen protein could remain in the bones for 30,000 years and collagen contains carbon.

I've asked you for evidence of these so-called "studies" already, until you produce them I will say that this is a lie put forward on some creationist websites.

A half-life of Carbon can be accurately tested up to 5700 years.

Wrong. It can be tested accurately to over 60,000 years.

3) Collagen has been identified in dinosaur fossil.

Wrong.

Nothing in your post is correct, so you should ask yourself why the people who told you these things are such egregious liars.

 

[McBell]

You like this word “blatant” so much. I think you’ve told me this more than anyone else in this forum. Is this Terry Goodkind’s favorite word because I was searching The Sword of Truth, The Law of Nines, and The Omen Machine series but can’t find one or was it from another fantasy books?

How do you expect to be taken seriously when you exhibit so much dishonesty?

 

[JM2C]

No it wasn't. This is not true.

Where is your proof that it wasn’t true?

I've asked you for evidence of these so-called "studies" already, until you produce them I will say that this is a lie put forward on some creationist websites.

You can ask all you want but the burden of proof is on your side now. Prove me wrong with your knowledge about this.

Wrong. It can be tested accurately to over 60,000 years.

Read the sentence again. “A half-life of Carbon can be accurately tested up to 5700 years.” The keyword is “half-life”. There are 18 half-lives or 103,000 years before it can be considered untraceable.

Wrong.

Nothing in your post is correct, so you should ask yourself why the people who told you these things are such egregious liars.

If I’m wrong then you must have the right answer or explanation. Let’s hear it then.