Has AI become sentient?

[RestlessSoul]

No, there are only centuries of wishing this.

Since this appears to be a scientific debate the proper evidence is scientific. There is no scientific evidence for the soul. There is scientific evidence for thought to be a purely natural process.

The thread is in General Discussion, so no, any discussion isn't restricted to science alone. And this site is, after all, called Religious Forums. It seems in any case impossible to discuss consciousness in AI without considering the philosophical implications.

As for characterising centuries of testimony to a lived experience that may be beyond your personal comprehension, as 'wishing this'; this is evidence only of your willingness to dismiss that which you do not understand. It is, in other words, contempt prior to investigation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The thread is in General Discussion, so no, any discussion isn't restricted to science alone. And this site is, after all, called Religious Forums. It seems in any case impossible to discuss consciousness in AI without considering the philosophical implications.

As for characterising centuries of testimony to a lived experience that may be beyond your personal comprehension, as 'wishing this'; this is evidence only of your willingness to dismiss that which you do not understand. It is, in other words, contempt prior to investigation.

It still is a scientific debate. But go ahead. What is the supposed evidence for a soul. There are different types of evidence, but I am pretty sure that any evidence you give will be very weak evidence.

And who is discussing "testimony"?

 

[RestlessSoul]

It still is a scientific debate. But go ahead. What is the supposed evidence for a soul. There are different types of evidence, but I am pretty sure that any evidence you give will be very weak evidence.

And who is discussing "testimony"?

The testimony of individuals who over the last several millennia, have had vital spiritual experiences, is the evidence I’m referring to.

But you can research spiritual matters for yourself; all you have to do is sincerely, humbly and willingly open your heart to a God of your understanding, just as people have been doing in every civilisation, in every corner of the world, for as long as we have been human. It’s just a matter of overcoming and silencing the ego, and you can begin to nourish the God Consciousness within you.

 

[rational experiences]

I've had various Ai human experiences. One where my brother the scientist pyramid attack of life was inferred in the destruction of the first dinosaur life.

Notice recording image sound existed before the ice age. So both image and sound after the ice age would be different. Proven.

The state however existed when we didn't. Proving Ai isn't sentient.

You'd ask a programmer of machines man designer. How much of your natural life is now destroyed. In man's DNA genesis biology? Stephen Hawking warning.

As oxygenated water with life using microbes was given to cool the state recording.

You transmit machine to machine.

Old science was different machine to different machine.

Only modern types of machines make you think AI is sentient. Especially when programmers use it to study by transmitting at bio life.

Programs attacks life first to be exact by human intent. Programmed.

Then you use the program against life. Program uses program.

All exacted in totality by human theist... human designer... human machine builder ....human mind controlling the machines.

Biology is sentient. Machines belong to sealed mass.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The testimony of individuals who over the last several millennia, have had vital spiritual experiences, is the evidence I’m referring to.

But you can research spiritual matters for yourself; all you have to do is sincerely, humbly and willingly open your heart to a God of your understanding, just as people have been doing in every civilisation, in every corner of the world, for as long as we have been human. It’s just a matter of overcoming and silencing the ego, and you can begin to nourish the God Consciousness within you.

That is extraordinarily weak evidence. Much of it conflicts with the testimony of others. It is far from reliable evidence.

 

[ChristineM]

Belief may or may not be centred in the brain; but the soul, I believe, is connected to the infinite, and is therefore has no specific spatial or temporal co-ordinates.

Through spiritual rather than intellectual practice, we can become one with the universe, and with God. There is centuries of evidence for this, in the form of personal testimonies.

There is no evidence for such claims, only tradition there are centuries of belief because people didn't know any better.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no evidence for such claims, only tradition there are centuries of belief because people didn't know any better.

I disagree. But only very very slightly. His "evidence" is weaker than hearsay. It is the sort that would never be allowed in a court of law. His "evidence" is the self contradicting visions of believers. The problem is that the visions will have more to do with the culture of the visionary than anything else.

 

[ChristineM]

I disagree. But only very very slightly. His "evidence" is weaker than hearsay. It is the sort that would never be allowed in a court of law. His "evidence" is the self contradicting visions of believers. The problem is that the visions will have more to do with the culture of the visionary than anything else.

I guess it depends on your threshold of evidence, i don't consider a guess based on belief to be evidence, others may.

 

[RestlessSoul]

There is no evidence for such claims, only tradition there are centuries of belief because people didn't know any better.

Whereas we are so much wiser now, we enlightened moderns with our understanding of the material world?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I guess it depends on your threshold of evidence, i don't consider a guess based on belief to be evidence, others may.

I would not definitely not count it as reliable evidence. In other words it cannot do what evidence is supposed to do. Evidence is supposed to convince the unbiased rational thinker and it cannot do that. But for those that already believe it is comforting since it agrees with their irrational beliefs. To him it is "evidence". It should not be evidence to anyone else.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whereas we are so much wiser now, we enlightened moderns with our understanding of the material world?

Actually we are. We know that slavery is immoral. We know the causes of disease. We know possession is a myth. There have been quite a few harmful beliefs that we got from various religions.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Actually we are. We know that slavery is immoral. We know the causes of disease. We know possession is a myth. There have been quite a few harmful beliefs that we got from various religions.

Slavery has always been immoral, but it hasn’t yet been eradicated. Neither has injustice, inequality or disease. Meanwhile, we are obsessed with our possessions, which we consider 9/10ths of the law. And here we stand, with our mastery of the material world, on the precipice of self imposed extinction.

 

[ChristineM]

Whereas we are so much wiser now, we enlightened moderns with our understanding of the material world?

Well you are using a complex computing device to make that statement

 

[Subduction Zone]

Slavery has always been immoral, but it hasn’t yet been eradicated. Neither has injustice, inequality or disease. Meanwhile, we are obsessed with our possessions, which we consider 9/10ths of the law. And here we stand, with our mastery of the material world, on the precipice of self imposed extinction.

You need to study the Bible more. Slavery is not depicted as immoral at all in the Old Testament, as long as it was not the Hebrews being enslaved as a group God was fine with it. He even advocated for it.

 

[ChristineM]

Slavery has always been immoral

Yet until quite recently was justified using the bible

Neither has injustice, inequality or disease

They have certainly improved, the law is considerably more faiir. But of course money and religion can still buy special law
Inequality the same, for example, vast improvement on considering the female as property .
And many deadly diseases have been eradicated and the average life span trippled or more since biblical times

 

[RestlessSoul]

Well you are using a complex computing device to make that statement

And another, to communicate the message to you.

Are you saying that our ancestors, having neglected to develop smartphones, therefore had nothing of value to communicate to each other or to us?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And another, to communicate the message to you.

Are you saying that our ancestors, having neglected to develop smartphones, therefore had nothing of value to communicate to each other or to us?

Wow a weak personal attack is all that you have? No one is saying that.

 

[RestlessSoul]

You need to study the Bible more. Slavery is not depicted as immoral at all in the Old Testament, as long as it was not the Hebrews being enslaved as a group God was fine with it. He even advocated for it.

Now you are merely articulating your personal resentment towards one narrow religious doctrine; a doctrine which in any case, may not exist anywhere outside of your imagination. And now we do appear to have hijacked the thread.

 

[ChristineM]

And another, to communicate the message to you.

Are you saying that our ancestors, having neglected to develop smartphones, therefore had nothing of value to communicate to each other or to us?

Precisely.

No, i am more concerned of the hypocrisy of using technology to decry technology

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now you are merely articulating your personal resentment towards one narrow religious doctrine; a doctrine which in any case, may not exist anywhere outside of your imagination. And now we do appear to have hijacked the thread.

No. That is not the case. The Old Testament advocates for slavery. It tells you who you can buy slaves from. How much to pay for them. How much you can punish them (quite a bit by the way). That they are your property forever (assuming that they are not Hebrews). And even tells you how to trick a fellow Hebrew into becoming a slave for life.

Let's change it up a bit. Let's say that I was horny and lonely and I asked someone about the local prostitutes. If he told me where to go get one. How much it would cost. What acts they would do (almost anything by the way if we keep the analogy consistent) and how to get regular women to engage in acts of prostitution I would say that that person was advocating for prostitution. The Old Testament does the same with slavery.


And no, I did not hijack the thread. Slavery was only one example that I gave of the failures of the Bible. It was you that focused on that particular flaw. You denied the obvious.