Has anyone used science to "just" disprove the bible?

[Shadow Wolf]

Not that all is bad but it has failed miserable in the mental health department.

It hasn't necessarily failed. Mental health is a difficult and complicated task to handle. The reason there are so many different anti-depressants (not just names and brands, but different types) is because there are so many different chemicals that can be out of balance, that all a doctor can do is take an educated guess at which one might be imbalanced in a patient. If the first one doesn't work, then the doctor will try another. This is also the reason why it is important for a patient to have someone keeping an eye on them when they begin a new medication, because it could trigger the wrong chemical, which can do alot of things, including having no effect, worsening depression, and even cause a person to become suicidal.

I disagree with a majority of the scientific method and take a stance spiritually.

The scientific method is a simple five step guide (was seven when I was in high school five years ago, but apparently two of them were dropped.) that sets up a method to test a hypothesis, and move it to a theory. It helps to create a testable, repeatable, and alterable theory that can easily be shown to have consistent results, or altered if the original hypothesis is not correct.
For example with the mental health, a doctor will hypothesis what chemical is causing a patient to behave in an abnormal way. An experiment would then be set up to see if the hypothesis is correct. If it is, the hypothesis is again retested to make sure there weren't any extraneous variables that manipulated the results. If the hypothesis is false, then the doctor would start at step one on what chemical is causing the abnormal behavior. Although not a step in the scientific method, peer review also helps to smooth out a hypothesis, and allows for the input of others. If the hypothesis is shown time and time again to be true, it then becomes a theory. From then, nothing moves onto a law (one of the steps my newer text book removed) because it is very possible that a newer understanding in the future will disprove the hypothesis. Gravity is one such example.

 

[Copernicus]

Forgive me if someone has already pointed this out, but Victor J. Stenger is a a physicist who has written the book God: The Failed Hypothesis. Stenger takes the position that the existence of God can be approached scientifically and that science, so far, tells us that he does not exist.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I am still waiting on an actual predictive method for measuring "love" as a source of matter.

Without that, all claims of "love" as such is pseudoscientific speculation.

 

[Commoner]

I am still waiting on an actual predictive method for measuring "love" as a source of matter.

Without that, all claims of "love" as such is pseudoscientific speculation.

What are you talking about?!

A Barry White cd, some candles, a bottle of wine... :danana:

...matter! QED

 

[Walkntune]

It hasn't necessarily failed. Mental health is a difficult and complicated task to handle. The reason there are so many different anti-depressants (not just names and brands, but different types) is because there are so many different chemicals that can be out of balance, that all a doctor can do is take an educated guess at which one might be imbalanced in a patient. If the first one doesn't work, then the doctor will try another. This is also the reason why it is important for a patient to have someone keeping an eye on them when they begin a new medication, because it could trigger the wrong chemical, which can do alot of things, including having no effect, worsening depression, and even cause a person to become suicidal.

I took part of this from another post I wrote but fits well here in explaining my thoughts and experience in this subject.
I don't think medicine is bad but just our misuse of them which is really just an example of the condition of the human heart and greed.

I believe humans don't have the freewill they think they do.I believe like all other animals instincts we make choices out of fear and faith. When a dear feels safe and full of faith it can think along the lines of finding green grass to eat and shade to lay in and such. Once it senses danger its line of thinking will change. It will seek out the danger, decide what direction to dart of etc.. Too much fear and maybe freeze. Humans are the same way.
the biggest mistake humans make is they try to use their thinking to control their emotions. We don't realize that in order to be happy, feel safe and full of faith all we have to do is release the fear or emotions.As we release the emotions our line of thinking actually changes like the deer in the field.People hold on so tight to emotions and refuse to release them and it causes the brain to be stuck in a certain mode of thinking.My personal belief is that eventually when you hold on to bad emotions long enough without releasing them they cause the mind to be stuck in a certain unhealthy pattern of thinking that eventually alters the chemicals causing chemical imbalances(mental illness) Even good emotions can cloud up the mind and clarity of thought.Releasing good emotions also has a great benefit to clearing the mind and so you can make better choices and keep bringing yourself up to a better state of thinking and feeling.The only way to feel good is to allow your self to feel and release the bad feelings no matter how bad they feel and don't allow them to dictate your thoughts or choices.(sometimes you just have to buckle the seatbelt and hang on) So I guess what i am saying is that are emotional state of fear and faith we are in actually dictates our line of thinking and how we make choices just like the deer.
So in order to summarize this I believe we are still dictated by faith and fear instincts that actually alter our thought processes depending upon which state we are in.If you want to think more clear and positive and make better choices, all you do is release the negative emotions and you climb to a positive state(state you were born and meant to be in ) automatically and your thinking changes automatically.(just like the deer).
I think psychiatry fails because they think that if you alter the mind then you can alter the feelings(fight and flight response). In reality all you have to do is release the bad feelings(fears and hurts etc...) and then the mind changes automatically and thinks more healthy.
Instead what we have in society is commercials pushing drugs trying to turn every bad feeling of the blues they can into a mental disease of some sort of depression out of greed for the all mighty dollar.They are a cancer to society IMHO.The drugs do alter the mind and make people feel better but people actually are not getting better but just feeling better temporarily until they either need to try a new medicine or increase dossages etc.. Meanwhile the bad emotions (cause of problem)that are not released(fight and flight response) are not being dealt with but just on hold and actually making it difficult to recognize because of the effects of the medicine.People just want to feel good and not deal with how they really feel and pharmaceutical companies take advantage.
Now I think there is a time and place for medicine.When it becomes an issue of life or death then I think using medicines to help someone think more rational would definitely be called for and serve a purpose if it can save a life. This is a far cry from commercials asking if you have the blues and saying you may be suffering from depression and advertise a medicine for the sake of a dollar. the damage that this is doing to society is unreal!!!People with mild blues feelings can suddenly believe they have depression and get on medicine and from there completely go down hill. Food and drug administration love the profits!!!

The scientific method is a simple five step guide (was seven when I was in high school five years ago, but apparently two of them were dropped.) that sets up a method to test a hypothesis, and move it to a theory. It helps to create a testable, repeatable, and alterable theory that can easily be shown to have consistent results, or altered if the original hypothesis is not correct.

This explains all of the disputes among scientists! I see!

I am still waiting on an actual predictive method for measuring "love" as a source of matter.

Without that, all claims of "love" as such is pseudoscientific speculation.

I have show a peer reviewed article of the effects of love on an object.
We measure gravity as it's effect on objects.
Tell me how you measure gravity as matter?

 

[tumbleweed41]

I have show a peer reviewed article of the effects of love on an object.

No, what you have shown is chemical reactions, not evidence of a measurable force.

Tell me how you measure gravity as matter?

That would be quite imposable since gravity is not matter, it doesn't have mass or take up space.
However, we can make predictive measurements of gravity as the energy that it is.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

This is wikipedia



Simplified overview of the chemical basis of love.


Main article: Love (scientific views)
Biological models of sex tend to view love as a mammalian drive, much like hunger or thirst.[8] Helen Fisher, a leading expert in the topic of love, divides the experience of love into three partly overlapping stages: lust, attraction, and attachment. Lust exposes people to others; romantic attraction encourages people to focus their energy on mating; and attachment involves tolerating the spouse (or indeed the child) long enough to rear a child into infancy.
Lust is the initial passionate sexual desire that promotes mating, and involves the increased release of chemicals such as testosterone and estrogen. These effects rarely last more than a few weeks or months. Attraction is the more individualized and romantic desire for a specific candidate for mating, which develops out of lust as commitment to an individual mate forms. Recent studies in neuroscience have indicated that as people fall in love, the brain consistently releases a certain set of chemicals, including pheromones, dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin, which act in a manner similar to amphetamines, stimulating the brain's pleasure center and leading to side effects such as increased heart rate, loss of appetite and sleep, and an intense feeling of excitement. Research has indicated that this stage generally lasts from one and a half to three years.[9]
Since the lust and attraction stages are both considered temporary, a third stage is needed to account for long-term relationships. Attachment is the bonding that promotes relationships lasting for many years and even decades. Attachment is generally based on commitments such as marriage and children, or on mutual friendship based on things like shared interests. It has been linked to higher levels of the chemicals oxytocin and vasopressin to a greater degree than short-term relationships have.[9] Enzo Emanuele and coworkers reported the protein molecule known as the nerve growth factor (NGF) has high levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previous levels after one year. [10]

Nice. Got to love wikipedia.....because basically what we see is man (men and women)....(i.e. the human animal) are attracted to each other by a biochemical reaction that makes us lust (want sexually) the other due to a subconscious need or desire to procreate. It appears that we aren't a completely monogamous species. Unlike some animals we do not mate with one for life but are prone to polygamy.

 

[Walkntune]

However, we can make predictive measurements of gravity as the energy that it is.

I believe all is energy and I I believe in m-theory and science is on it's way to some.

 

[darkendless]

I believe all is energy

Energy is not eternal, yet it is still the mechanism for everything we have/do/see etc.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I believe all is energy and I I believe in m-theory and science is on it's way to some.

Interesting. But totally unrelated to love as either energy or a basis for matter.
I could just as easily say that boredom is energy, and be just as unable to provide any evidence that it is so.

 

[Walkntune]

Interesting. But totally unrelated to love as either energy or a basis for matter.
I could just as easily say that boredom is energy, and be just as unable to provide any evidence that it is so.

I believe emotions are certain frequencies of energy. How else can they cause such an action as chemical reactions in matter(other energy).How can something that is not matter effect something that is matter?

 

[tumbleweed41]

How can something that is not matter effect something that is matter?

 

[Walkntune]

Do you care to explain the answer since I have yet to here any information from you?

 

[McBell]

.How can something that is not matter effect something that is matter?

So god is matter?
I mean, how else could he have done anything with matter unless he was matter?

 

[tumbleweed41]

I believe emotions are certain frequencies of energy.

Potential or kinetic?

How else can they cause such an action as chemical reactions in matter(other energy)

Emotions are the result of chemical reactions, not the other way around.

How can something that is not matter effect something that is matter?

Bake a pie. How does something that is not matter (heat) affect something that is matter (the pie).
Drop a rock. How does something that is not matter (gravity) affect something that is matter (the rock).
Turn on your light. How does something that is not matter (electricity) affect something that is matter (the filament of the bulb).

Simple answer. Energy typically causes a reaction in an objects molecules and atoms.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Anyone know of any scientist(s) peer reviewed that made it their purpose to disprove the things of the bible, and that was their primary concern in life in regard to science?

YES/NO.

Science (various fields) have amassed an enormous amount of data and evidence that contradicts a lot of the asserted stories of the bible. It has been established over and over that the very fist scroll of the bible is full of holes. The formation of the earth and other celestial objects is in error, especially in the order as to when they came into being. The creation story, as well, is in error.....:sorry1:

 

[Perfect Circle]

I believe emotions are certain frequencies of energy. How else can they cause such an action as chemical reactions in matter(other energy).How can something that is not matter effect something that is matter?

What? Do you have any background at all in any level of physics? Because I'm pretty sure a high school physics class would cover this. Gravity, electromagnetism, and weak/strong nuclear decay are all forces that act on matter without being matter...

 

[Walkntune]

Bake a pie. How does something that is not matter (heat) affect something that is matter (the pie).
Drop a rock. How does something that is not matter (gravity) affect something that is matter (the rock).
Turn on your light. How does something that is not matter (electricity) affect something that is matter (the filament of the bulb).

Simple answer. Energy typically causes a reaction in an objects molecules and atoms.

Now if you prove matter is really particles instead of strings of energy we will be on the same page and I will accept your statements as facts.
Otherwise I believe energy is just effecting energy.

 

[Walkntune]

Emotions are the result of chemical reactions, not the other way around.

Interesting how the emotions of one person effect the emotions of another?

Potential or kinetic?

Kinetic

 

[Walkntune]

What? Do you have any background at all in any level of physics? Because I'm pretty sure a high school physics class would cover this. Gravity, electromagnetism, and weak/strong nuclear decay are all forces that act on matter without being matter...

Well I guess you can school me on what matter is? Particle waves? Energy Waves?