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Has GOP/US right gone as mad as it seems?

That's basically what you said and/or think.
How about you explain it easier?
I agree with all that already, the application of this should be for “head of household” employees. If you want a minimum wage of $15 an hour for people that fit “head of household” then fine but even $15 an hour isn’t high enough for those people.
Now for those young people who are working part time, entry level employees should be excluded from this and employers should be able to pay these kind of employees $7.25 an hour.
Don’t know how else to say it for you.

A higher minimum wage reduces income inequality while providing an incentive to work. The incentive makes it better for society than welfare or a universal basic income.

Workers who can cover the cost of living have better morale. They are more productive if they have a decent standard of living.

Minimum wage laws benefit individual businesses. Workers are less likely to leave to find a higher-paying job. This reduces turnover and expensive retraining costs.
 

Suave

Simulated character

Young and inexperienced workers too should earn a living wage. They should not be exploited. Edit: Nobody working full-time should be living below poverty.
 
That's basically what you said and/or think.
How about you explain it easier?
If you’re an employer and you have a head of household, full time, faithful worker, you should pay that person what they need to provide for their family whether they have the “experience” or not. Continue to train that person and treat them right.That’s what I think.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I agree with all that already, the application of this should be for “head of household” employees. If you want a minimum wage of $15 an hour for people that fit “head of household” then fine but even $15 an hour isn’t high enough for those people.
So you want a system created for a 'head of household' designation that has a different payscale than a "non head of household?" Isn't every single person a "head of household?"
Now for those young people who are working part time, entry level employees should be excluded from this and employers should be able to pay these kind of employees $7.25 an hour.
Don’t know how else to say it for you.
Non head of household employees should make the same. They're working fewer hours. What you're not analyzing is that the 'head of household' wage at $15/hr should already have been at $25/hr.
We both agree that 'heads of households' are underpaid for their services and just accept the status quo.
A higher minimum wage reduces income inequality while providing an incentive to work. The incentive makes it better for society than welfare or a universal basic income.
A higher MW reduces income inequality and poverty. The incentive to work doesn't change because work is required to live and pay bills.
There is no increase in incentive to work. The majority of Americans work and accept the law of under $10/hr. Those same people aren't gaining more incentive if that changes to $15/hr. The incentive remains due to cost of living, bills, etc.
Workers who can cover the cost of living have better morale. They are more productive if they have a decent standard of living.
Correct.
Minimum wage laws benefit individual businesses. Workers are less likely to leave to find a higher-paying job. This reduces turnover and expensive retraining costs.
MW laws benefit business because it helps profits. MW laws can hurt the American people more.
It has been shown that when companies choose to pay their burger flippers more than the MW, this reduces turnover and expensive retraining costs.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
If you’re an employer and you have a head of household, full time, faithful worker, you should pay that person what they need to provide for their family whether they have the “experience” or not. Continue to train that person and treat them right.That’s what I think.
This is a fantasyland approach. Paying people based on their family needs and not based on skills.
No thanks. lmao.

Let me know when you're hiring, I've got 12 kids and SHOULD be paid a premium for my decision. Thanks!
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I agree no one should be exploited, I agree with that. Are you a business owner?
Only 10% of the American population are small business owners. Their needs aren't as important as the American people living in poverty working 40 hour weeks.
 
Only 10% of the American population are small business owners. Their needs aren't as important as the American people living in poverty working 40 hour weeks.
That’s probably one of the most insensitive, ignorant comments I’ve heard in a long time, surely can’t mean that?
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I already answered that one and have a nice day.
You did. Your answer is yes.
Because in your view, someone who has a family and ONLY makes $15/hr is lazy and should get another job. Or learn some new skills in life to be a better 'head of household.'

YOU have a good day.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That’s probably one of the most insensitive, ignorant comments I’ve heard in a long time, surely can’t mean that?
Perhaps it could have been phrased better. Being a small business owner is not a valid excuse taking advantage of the poor. Businesses are not allowed to participate in a race to the bottom to see how little they can pay someone. Just as their are reasonable laws of safety for a workplace there are reasonable laws of minimum pay. Just because one could convince someone to work in a poorly ventilated room with a high amount of paint fumes in it does not make it moral or legal. As a Christian you should understand this. There are even verses to that effect in the Bible.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Of course I mean that. Do you think it's suitable for a person to work full-time and still live in poverty?
Only if they are working for me!

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Suave

Simulated character
I agree no one should be exploited, I agree with that. Are you a business owner?

I'm a retired insurance sales person. I'm now an environmentally friendly person who is also a political activist for socialism. I hope our discussions on RF might help persuade you to be an environmentally friendly democratic socialist like me.

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This is a fantasyland approach. Paying people based on their family needs and not based on skills.
No thanks. lmao.

Let me know when you're hiring, I've got 12 kids and SHOULD be paid a premium for my decision. Thanks!
Thats funny because that’s what the $15 minimum wage is. If I was hiring you with 12 kids I’d have to pray about that cause your 12 and my 14 would make things interesting especially if you were bringing them to work with you.
 
Perhaps it could have been phrased better. Being a small business owner is not a valid excuse taking advantage of the poor. Businesses are not allowed to participate in a race to the bottom to see how little they can pay someone. Just as their are reasonable laws of safety for a workplace there are reasonable laws of minimum pay. Just because one could convince someone to work in a poorly ventilated room with a high amount of paint fumes in it does not make it moral or legal. As a Christian you should understand this. There are even verses to that effect in the Bible.
You don’t take advantage of people an employee or employer.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
If you’re an employer and you have a head of household, full time, faithful worker, you should pay that person what they need to provide for their family whether they have the “experience” or not.
Paying people based on their needs instead of their skills is Socialism. Don't you know that?
 
Paying people based on their needs instead of their skills is Socialism. Don't you know that?
The difference is as an employer it’s voluntary and that’s what we do, it’s not mandated and forced by the government (that’s socialism). I wouldn’t force anyone to live by my convictions but do express my views. That’s the difference, you have government forced mandates now and it’s wrong.
 
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