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Has the religious civil war started in the Middle East?

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
This is just the opening stages of WWIII. This is nothing compared to when the US, Russia and China face off. That'll be the war to dwarf all wars. It's coming.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Civil war starting in the Middle East?
You mean it ever stopped?
Before Muhammud invented islam Arabs were either Jews, Christians, or tribal pagans.
When islam came into power there were countless battles between islam, judaism, & christians about religion
and tribal disputes.
It is still the same. Nothing but the weapons has changed.
 
It started when Imam Ali was killed over 1400 years ago. I doubt this is a start.

The current problems are a product of the 1979 Iranian revolution and the Saudi led response, modern nationalism, the nation state, US Middle East policy amongst others.

To view it as a 1400 year old conflict is facile and unenlightening. 1979 is a better start point.
 
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Kalibhakta

Jai Maha Kali Ma!
I suppose so. I am just saying this is not a cause of saber rattling into todays age. The Saudi's destroyed many Shia holy sites back in the late 1700s
 
The Saudi's destroyed many Shia holy sites back in the late 1700s

To be fair, the Wahabbis also destroyed many of their own too. Still at it to this day.

There have been Sunni Shia conflicts of course, but this 'eternal enmity' idea is not particularly accurate. It is much more of a modern phenomenon.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
This is just the opening stages of WWIII

I am sorry I laughed when I read this.

You know if there ever was a WW3 involving the western world it would really be over by Christmas. And you know what would have changed in the Western World? Nothing at all.
Though a whole lot of Muslims would be dead.

You just don't pick a fight with the Western World, they are all crazy.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
What some aggressive warmongers like to forget that we'd be living(or actually not) in a huge glass crater if there was a war between the greater powers. They're just happily deluded in their ignorance of modern science and what's in those silos.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Everybody is half right. And each situation, is also unique despite looking sort of the same.

What was the world on the battlefield of Kurukshetra in India so long ago? Then, perhaps you could argue, to those then as two great armies faced off each, it was effectively the entire world.

When the Assyrians and Babylonians faced off, to them it was almost the entire world. There were no Christians or Muslims then.

The Egyptians and Hittites. One the famed Egyptian religion, another under Indo-Aryan traditions. Was that a religious struggle?

Humans have all sorts of reasons. Some like to blame religion, but this happens with or without religion. And each is also unique.

You give the government power, this is going to happen sooner or later, because the government is humans. I suspect some think they have a lot of great ideas. If they took charge, the one's who think they can implement their great ideas on everyone else, they will start the great wars. This forum would even start a great war - with each other perhaps - it is sort of expected almost. Gays are persecuted in many places of the world, though there is no better place for them then the West, America and Europe, yet it wouldn't surprise me if the Lesbians took Big Sister Power Government they would start the war on homosexual men, and the transvestites would be "put on the trains" as part of a purge to implement the "solution".

But the "Great War" never manages to kill everyone. Somehow humans survive. I really doubt there ever will be the "final" one. Even killing can be totally exhausting, and it isn't as easy as some think, bomb or no bomb.

I like what I am seeing with the "Arab League". What were some thinking or expecting to happen? It is obvious, Iran wants to take over the entire region, and no one is stopping Iran from getting the nuke. So Saudi Arabia, is suppose to NOT do the obvious? They will now want - and start developing - the nuke in response. Because Iran was allowed to "carry on".

I am not so sure this is just the old Sunni verse Shia thing. ISIS is Sunni, and they want to attack the Arab League also.

Maybe the Arab League represents something else, neither Sunni nor Shia. Maybe it is saying, "the rest of you guys are nuts and we are not going to let you guys 'solve the problems'". A lot of bad deals. And actually a lot of modern factors here. Hell if I have a solution, and typically I mistrust most "solutions". Obama sure ***** up the cafeteria. God I wish he was never born. It might have been better. Government - pzzzzzzzuuggggg. Jimmy Cater sucked. He still does. Socialism sucks. Caused a lot of this. Also I wouldn't call this latest, a "civil war". When the communist Vietnamese (government) and the socialist Khmer Rouge Cambodians (government) attacked each other, I didn't call that "civil war".

I hope the Arab League with their new flag smashes both the Sunni ISIS and the Shia Iranian mullah power grab and their nuke program. Both are leprosy. The only part of this that has me worried big time is the Pakistani element - that could flip either way real easy.

And it was in Pakistan, the North West Frontier Province of what was formerly India, that this modern Islamic extremist terror thing all started in the first place late 1800s.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
There's no love lost between the Saudis and the Iranians, so things could definitely get a lot nastier before getting better.
 
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