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[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Ask 10 different people get 10 different answers.

All in all, Satanism is do what you want and satisfy all your desires. It is kind of the opposite of Christianity, in that in Christianity you are to repress many feelings and urges. Make sense?

No sense at all, no.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Luis has made a brilliant point. Luis is not bad mouthing the God part as some might think, but rather he is explaining that individuals bring such abstract and personal feelings and views to their own religious experience, that God really just becomes a tool to justify and explain their own personal feelings about existence.

If more people were honest or maybe spent more time reflecting, they might realize their religious beliefs are more about themselves then God.

Great original post Luis.

Louis is sharing an opinion ( I have no problem with that) and stating that is a fact (I have a big problem with that) which is not the truth, which is my briliant point which also happens to be a fact and also the truth.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

No sense at all, no.

If you want to elaborate so that a discussion may start please feel free, but I have no interest in extracting meaning from one liners such as your post.

Christianity's basic teachings are that there is a new life, one that is free of sin waiting in the afterlife or if Jesus comes back. As such, while that hasn't taken place for those that profess here on Earth, in that they still deal with sin every day, like lusting after objects of their affection, and all the other urges we feel so natural within ourselves.

Satanism seeks to free the person from that saying it is OK to peruse those desires, and it is actually bad for us to deny them to ourselves, as some might suggest priests often encounters with young boys.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Can you explain Satanism to me? We are here to learn, so maybe you can shed some light on what Satanism really is all about. Most Christians would view Satanism as something evil, or maybe there's something that they are missing.

For me, Christianity is about upholding order while Satanism is about breaking up that order in order to avoid stagnation. Christianity is the frame while Satanism is the fertilizer.

That's something I've borrowed and added to my own mythology since I joined.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

If you want to elaborate so that a discussion may start please feel free, but I have no interest in extracting meaning from one liners such as your post.

Christianity's basic teachings are that there is a new life, one that is free of sin waiting in the afterlife or if Jesus comes back. As such, while that hasn't taken place for those that profess here on Earth, in that they still deal with sin every day, like lusting after objects of their affection, and all the other urges we feel so natural within ourselves.

Stating opinions as fact is a pet peeve of mine.

All of the above is an opinion, not a fact. The bible promises freedom and victory over the "natural urges" in this life and on this plane - not in the great by and by.

Without the The law of God IE the ten commandments, do you think you would need satan or satanism to help you embrace the idea that these urges are normal natural and healthy etc etc?. Of course not, you would simply be getting on with doing what you do best, which is following the "natural urges"

The problem is God's law exposes these natural urges as rebellion to Him/sin. Oh oh, what am I going to do now? Well I'm either going to embrace God's solution to the problem, agree with God and receive the solution and live in the solution. Jesus Christ is the solution, and I live in that solution.

Or you are going to disagree with God, and say God is wrong or a myth or a fairy or, it's not possible to live a live free from these natural urges etec etc (meaning its not possible to live a supernatutal life, which is what REAL Christianity is)

There arent many people who believe it's possible to live a life free from natural urges - which means there are not many supernatural people on this earth, which means there are not many REAL Christians on this earth. Because unless one is experiencing this superatural life then one is not supernaturally transfromed. They can't help themsleves let alone anyone else. Most people behind the puplit on a Sunday morning do nothing more than read the bible out loud and demonstrate to their congregations that they still haven't figured it out yet.

Satanism is a label for the fallen human state, you don't need to create a devil and call it a religion to do what you as a human being have to do. To do what you as a human being are powerless not to do.

Sin is what controls you, not satan. The ten commandments where given by God to show you that what you are merily doing every day (that you think is normal) because it feels right is actually against the will of God.

The Lord Jesus Christ (God in human form) died to give you a life free from the power of what the Law of God exposes in you IE natural rebellion to the law of God in every single part of your very being. The true Christian believes and accepts the Law to ne Gods law and through Christ not only is forgiven for breaking the law but also experiences the freedom to obey the law.

Satanism seeks to free the person from that saying it is OK to peruse those desires, and it is actually bad for us to deny them to ourselves, as some might suggest priests often encounters with young boys.

Satanism seeks to tell you the supernatural spritual life possible is Christ is foolishness AKA it is impossble to have anything better than what you have got now IE it's normal, make the most of it ignore your God given conscience and party on down etc etc.

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I am a Christian, a new creation, I am free from fleshly lusts, this has happend supernaturally. I can not boast about this Jesus Christ/HolySpirt/Heavenly Father did it for me, not by resisting feelings and urges, leaving me feeling deprived and miserable because I can't do what I really want to do.

Now if you want what I have, I can talk to you about that all day.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Stating opinions as fact is a pet peeve of mine.

which means there are not many REAL Christians on this earth.

Because unless one is experiencing this superatural life then one is not supernaturally transfromed.

priceless, so your one pet peeve is what you do best.

Let's leave it at this, the only thing factual about Christianity is that none of it is factual. As demonstrated in yet again your opinion.
As you said, I have offered my opinion, and you have offered yours.

Thanks for the chuckle though!

Oh and this again underscores Luis's post, that religions that involve God, typically don't truly center around God, but the individual to a much greater extent. This so clearly demonstrated in your boasting of what you call "facts" .... please :sarcastic

 

[keeperoftheprison]

Luis has made a brilliant point. Luis is not bad mouthing the God part as some might think, but rather he is explaining that individuals bring such abstract and personal feelings and views to their own religious experience, that God really just becomes a tool to justify and explain their own personal feelings about existence.

If more people were honest or maybe spent more time reflecting, they might realize their religious beliefs are more about themselves then God.

Great original post Luis.

Someone looking to find a belief system that fits them is the problem with the world today. You shouldn't pick a religion because it best fits you.... it should be one that you have faith in no matter how much changing you have to do to become successful in it.

 

[keeperoftheprison]

If you want to elaborate so that a discussion may start please feel free, but I have no interest in extracting meaning from one liners such as your post.

Christianity's basic teachings are that there is a new life, one that is free of sin waiting in the afterlife or if Jesus comes back. As such, while that hasn't taken place for those that profess here on Earth, in that they still deal with sin every day, like lusting after objects of their affection, and all the other urges we feel so natural within ourselves.

Satanism seeks to free the person from that saying it is OK to peruse those desires, and it is actually bad for us to deny them to ourselves, as some might suggest priests often encounters with young boys.

That was very enlightening until the one liner at the end that you blasted others for using.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Someone looking to find a belief system that fits them is the problem with the world today.

You shouldn't pick a religion because it best fits you.... it should be one that you have faith in no matter how much changing you have to do to become successful in it.

I think the problem might reside in people telling others what they should or shouldn't be doing with their spiritual life.

Of course that is just my opinion...

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

priceless, so your one pet peeve is what you do best.

Let's leave it at this, the only thing factual about Christianity is that none of it is factual. As demonstrated in yet again your opinion.
As you said, I have offered my opinion, and you have offered yours.

Thanks for the chuckle though!

Oh and this again underscores Luis's post, that religions that involve God, typically don't truly center around God, but the individual to a much greater extent. This so clearly demonstrated in your boasting of what you call "facts" .... please :sarcastic

I had a sneeking feeling that the last hour plus of my time giving you less than the one liners you deserve was a waste my of time... lol.

 

[keeperoftheprison]

Stating opinions as fact is a pet peeve of mine.

All of the above is an opinion, not a fact. The bible promises freedom and victory over the "natural urges" in this life and on this plane - not in the great by and by.

Without the The law of God IE the ten commandments, do you think you would need satan or satanism to help you embrace the idea that these urges are normal natural and healthy etc etc?. Of course not, you would simply be getting on with doing what you do best, which is following the "natural urges"

The problem is God's law exposes these natural urges as rebellion to Him/sin. Oh oh, what am I going to do now? Well I'm either going to embrace God's solution to the problem, agree with God and receive the solution and live in the solution. Jesus Christ is the solution, and I live in that solution.

Or you are going to disagree with God, and say God is wrong or a myth or a fairy or, it's not possible to live a live free from these natural urges etec etc (meaning its not possible to live a supernatutal life, which is what REAL Christianity is)

There arent many people who believe it's possible to live a life free from natural urges - which means there are not many supernatural people on this earth, which means there are not many REAL Christians on this earth. Because unless one is experiencing this superatural life then one is not supernaturally transfromed. They can't help themsleves let alone anyone else. Most people behind the puplit on a Sunday morning do nothing more than read the bible out loud and demonstrate to their congregations that they still haven't figured it out yet.

Satanism is a label for the fallen human state, you don't need to create a devil and call it a religion to do what you as a human being have to do. To do what you as a human being are powerless not to do.

Sin is what controls you, not satan. The ten commandments where given by God to show you that what you are merily doing every day (that you think is normal) because it feels right is actually against the will of God.

The Lord Jesus Christ (God in human form) died to give you a life free from the power of what the Law of God exposes in you IE natural rebellion to the law of God in every single part of your very being. The true Christian believes and accepts the Law to ne Gods law and through Christ not only is forgiven for breaking the law but also experiences the freedom to obey the law.




Satanism seeks to tell you the supernatural spritual life possible is Christ is foolishness AKA it is impossble to have anything better than what you have got now IE it's normal, make the most of it ignore your God given conscience and party on down etc etc.

I am a Christian, a new creation, I am free from fleshly lusts, this has happend supernaturally. I can not boast about this Jesus Christ/HolySpirt/Heavenly Father did it for me, not by resisting feelings and urges, leaving me feeling deprived and miserable because I can't do what I really want to do.

Now if you want what I have, I can talk to you about that all day. [/quote]

There is nowhere in the Bible that states life on earth is going to be free from strife. It's the exact opposite. The more Christian you are the more persecuted you will become. Everyone does have free will and can do whatever they decide, but that isn't a shortcoming of Christianity, it's a shortcoming on the people that choose a path that takes them away from God.

 

[zenzero]

Friend keeperoftheprison,

Has this Forum changed
I'm just curious to see if this forum has changed anyone into Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc.....

CHANGE is the only thing that is permanent as life keeps on evolving.
Each form keeps evolving regardless of the environment BUT an environment or sangha helps in fastening the process of evolution or rather a qualitative layers of the form evolves.
Change that one observes or feels is not change in the way one perceives; change is in reality like an onion peel as the outer skin disappears a fresh one from inside emerges.
Personally RF is like a sangha a environment where the individual's understanding evolves.
Religion is a path or a way to discover the REAL *SELF* that the form one IS, IS!
The individual *self* is the same as the universal *WHOLE* except that the mind acts as a barrier to reach to that understanding and realization and here RF acts as a mirror for one to see that reflection of the real *SELF*.

Love & rgds

 

[keeperoftheprison]

I think the problem might reside in people telling others what they should or shouldn't be doing with their spiritual life.

Of course that is just my opinion...

It is your opinion. It's also a bit of common sense.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

There is nowhere in the Bible that states life on earth is going to be free from strife. It's the exact opposite. The more Christian you are the more persecuted you will become. Everyone does have free will and can do whatever they decide, but that isn't a shortcoming of Christianity, it's a shortcoming on the people that choose a path that takes them away from God.

I didn't say free from strife, I say free from sin and free from "natural urges."

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I had a sneeking feeling that the last hour plus of my time giving you less than the on liners you deserve was a waste my of time... lol.

Yes the loads of wisdom coming forth from you has allowed me to make a Pearl Necklace!

 

[methylatedghosts]

I wouldn't say my views have changed much

But they have had a few layers of depth added to them, thanks to a few members here.

 

[keeperoftheprison]

Friend keeperoftheprison,



CHANGE is the only thing that is permanent as life keeps on evolving.
Each form keeps evolving regardless of the environment BUT an environment or sangha helps in fastening the process of evolution or rather a qualitative layers of the form evolves.
Change that one observes or feels is not change in the way one perceives; change is in reality like an onion peel as the outer skin disappears a fresh one from inside emerges.
Personally RF is like a sangha a environment where the individual's understanding evolves.
Religion is a path or a way to discover the REAL *SELF* that the form one IS, IS!
The individual *self* is the same as the universal *WHOLE* except that the mind acts as a barrier to reach to that understanding and realization and here RF acts as a mirror for one to see that reflection of the real *SELF*.

Love & rgds

I always enjoy your posts even though we often disagree on things. I would like to ask you a question because of a post someone else put up. Since you have different beliefs than me your answer seems relevant. Did you pick a religion/belief system that fit you best? Or one that you believed in and did the personal changing to fit your belief system better?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I always enjoy your posts even though we often disagree on things. I would like to ask you a question because of a post someone else put up. Since you have different beliefs than me your answer seems relevant. Did you pick a religion/belief system that fit you best? Or one that you believed in and did the personal changing to fit your belief system better?

If I may answer for you Zen

Zen doesn't believe in self, so naturally there is only one way for him to go, which is no way at all, but to simply exist.

 

[keeperoftheprison]

If I may answer for you Zen

Zen doesn't believe in self, so naturally there is only one way for him to go, which is no way at all, but to simply exist.

Well lets let him answer because I dont believe he picked his beliefs because it fit him and had no intentions of changing anything about himself.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Yes the loads of wisdom coming forth from you has allowed me to make a Pearl Necklace!

Wear it with pride