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Hatred of Christianity!

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Note that you didn't actually respond to my statement. QED

Since I am honest if that were the case, I would have said something like that. And, your respect is unnecessary to me. You don't even rate.

more non sequitur. Perhaps you're having several cross-posts from other threads getting in here?
I am following them, unlike you. :D
Your total condescension is trolling. Since you aren't contributing, and are simply solely harassing a poster or two and not actually participating in discussion, vacate the thread, or I'll report you in teh appropriate forum :D

Busted, Kid.
I'll help you with the hard parts.

Go ahead and report me. Pointing out that someone is talking out of the side of his mouth isn't against the rules.
 

McBell

Unbound
it's not about rejecting a definition of the word lore, it's about it bleeding obvious that that referred to nordic lore. and even without that, from the context that would still have been [any other definition of lore] in the context of nordic mythology so that wouldn't really change anything :facepalm: it's just quagmire being a troll, or involuntary comedy. ("what school did you go to?" bwhaha)

I am not aware of it, but my guess is that it meant nordic lore doesn't contain any references to racial supremacy of any kind. "history and lore" referred to "nordic religious stuff" and, well, the history of the vikings etc. I guess ^^

yeah, so much for context haha...
Ah, my apologies.
I was under the false impression that is was from here:
And of course, the issue of white supremacy is absent from the history books, and the lore. Something Fallingblood unfortunately doesn't have as an excuse [at least in terms of what I am describing about Christianity; I say this because I can see you making a contextual mistake and thinking I mean white supremacy in xtianity]:D And a nod to Godwin's law.

:clap
Would you please be so kind as to tell me where it is from?
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
It shows that antisemitism does not belong along with Christianity, but with society.

It's inherent to orthodox Christianity. Just look at the Gospel of John, the Jews are constantly maligned within that Gospel . John uses "the Jews" as a blanket term and "the Jews" are protrayed as villianous, Satanic persecutors of Jesus who go out of their way to obstruct Jesus' mission and later plot to murder him. In fact in John's gospel the heat is taken off the Pilate and "the Jews" are solely to blame for Jesus execution.
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
It's inherent to orthodox Christianity. Just look at the Gospel of John, the Jews are constantly maligned within that Gospel . John uses "the Jews" as a blanket term and "the Jews" are protrayed as villianous, Satanic persecutors of Jesus who go out of their way to obstruct Jesus' mission and later plot to murder him. In fact in John's gospel the heat is taken off the Pilate and "the Jews" are solely to blame for Jesus execution.
Where at? Especially considering Jesus and the Apostles are Jews. Unless your talking about that one spot where the Jews in the crowd say his blood be on them, it was usually the Pharisees that took the heat.

As with being "inherent to Orthodox Christianity", Id have to call ******** on that. Considering past occurances with Popes.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Where at? Especially considering Jesus and the Apostles are Jews. Unless your talking about that one spot where the Jews in the crowd say his blood be on them, it was usually the Pharisees that took the heat.

As with being "inherent to orthodox Christianity", Id have to call ******** on that. Considering past occurances with Popes.

Not too familiar with the Gospel of John are you? I think "the Jews" is used as a blanket term within the Gospel over 60 times and always negatively, in fact when portrayed the word "Jews" is often used with the word "crowd" as if a multitude of Jews were conspiring to kill Jesus
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
As not nom says maybe it should have been simply understood in context ....

Why? The context, by that time, was European history in general. A cpl of posters in here thought we were still talking about the Nordic peoples, obviously, but that was based mostly on their literal reading of what was supposed to be an analogy.
 
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JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
Not too familiar with the Gospel of John are you? I think "the Jews" is used as a blanket term within the Gospel over 60 times and always negatively, in fact when portrayed the word "Jews" is often used with the word "crowd" as if a multitude of Jews were conspiring to kill Jesus
Where at?
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
It's inherent to orthodox Christianity. Just look at the Gospel of John, the Jews are constantly maligned within that Gospel . John uses "the Jews" as a blanket term and "the Jews" are protrayed as villianous, Satanic persecutors of Jesus who go out of their way to obstruct Jesus' mission and later plot to murder him. In fact in John's gospel the heat is taken off the Pilate and "the Jews" are solely to blame for Jesus execution.

It isn't inherent to orthodox Christianity. To say so, ignores all of the progressive that has been undergone since the Holocaust. It was after this, that many scholars, theologians, etc began reexamining Jewish Christian relations, and worked to better the situation. The Vatican II made huge strides in officially changing any and all negative outlooks on Judaism. In fact, they the hatred, persecution, etc of Jews in general was spoken against.

Since Vatican II, more strides have been made for better relations between Jews and Christians. And this is not true just in the Catholic Church (which would be orthodox Christianity), but in much of Christianity.

Now looking at the Gospel of John, one has to take it in a historical context. JacobEzra and I don't agree on much, but we agree on the basics here. First, Jesus and the apostles were Jews. The NT as a whole agrees on that. Jesus is shown as a Jew, under Judaism. Paul is also shown as a Jew, under Judaism.

Second, when examining the NT, or more specifically, the Gospels, we see that as a whole, they criticize the Pharisees the most (and possibly the scribes). Yes, they use the blanket term "the Jews" from time to time, but taking it as a whole, it is probably best to assume they are talking about the Pharisees (otherwise, they would also be talking about themselves, at least to a point, as well as Jesus and the disciples). We can assume this as over and over again, the Pharisees (and scribes) are singled out as the Jews. They are the ones who have the largest conflicts here (the Sadducees also come into play, but to a lesser extent). The vast majority of Jews are never mentioned. The Essenes are never mentioned, and the vast majority of Jews, who were not scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees, or Essenes, are also not mentioned. Instead, we see specific groups being singled out, and in particular, the Pharisees being singled out.

There is a good reason as to why the Pharisees were being singled out. By the time that the Gospel John was written, Judaism had underwent a massive change. With the destruction of the Temple, a massive change occurred. Seeing that the Temple played a great role in the religion, and that the religion can be said to have revolved around the Temple, the loss was horrible. Emerging from this loss, this disaster, we have only two forms of Judaism that really survived. The first are the Pharisees, which will be the Rabbinic Judaism. The second is Christianity, which still had not really fully split.

At this time, Rabbinic Judaism began centralizing Judaism. Instead of having many different sects, they wanted one. This was in part to make them stronger, more unified. It was a partially a survival thing. It also pushed Christianity away, and made the rift between the two larger. Christianity can be said to have become some sort of a Jewish heresy. At the same time, Christianity also pushed back. We see attacks from both sides, and it got somewhat nasty on both parts.

Now, many think that the author of the Gospel of John was in a Jewish-Christian community that was being shunned. In return, they were angered, and attacked back (specifically the Pharisees, who became the Rabbinic Judaism).

At the same time, the Gospels, and later writers (the farther you go from the event in time, the more this occurs), took the blame from Pilate (and Rome in general), and placed it on their rising enemy, Rabbinic Judaism. This was for a couple of reasons. After the First Jewish Revolt, it would have made little sense to demonize Rome (including Pilate) and worship an enemy of the state (Jesus). That would have painted a huge target on them. So they continually push the blame away from Pilate, and move it onto their new enemies. It was a strategic move. The Jews were already in a hard place; as they just revolted. The Christians worshipped a man killed as an enemy of the state, and they tried to play that off and say that it was the Jews who were responsible (it was an ideal group to blame it on as they just revolted, and they were attacking the Christians as well).

Basically, the whole ordeal is a lot more complicated then you make it appear.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
nope, you just don't get a word of it haha. I can't be arsed to read your posts lol. 3 strikes and you're out or something like that.

Nah, I got it. Still scraping most of it off my shoe. ;)
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Why? The context, by that time, was European history in general. A cpl of posters in here thought we were still talking about the Nordic peoples, obviously, but that was based mostly on their literal reading of what was supposed to be an analogy.

I'm just throwing some bones out there. They need all they can get.
 

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
So basically you are saying that you only use your favourite definition of the word lore, gave no indication that you ignore all other possible definitions of the word lore, base an argument on said definition, then attempt to dis someone for not knowing that you reject all definitions of the word lore that differ from your favourite?

Interesting "context be damned" approach.
Since I just mentioned what context it's in, it's actually the opposite.
As I said, if you were familiar. Most of you, it appears, aren't.
 

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
This statement is backed by nothing substantive. Lore is a derived from an earlier Germanic term, certainly, but the word lore is an English term which was in use after the conversion of the various Scandinavian tribes. To state such a thing as 'the lore' references the Nordic peoples, as opposed to any of the other Germanic tribes or as opposed to it's actual common usage in the English language, is misleading.

As not nom says maybe it should have been simply understood in context but there is no need to interject a meaning of the term that is simply not true. There's plenty of that going in this thread with the meaning of the term Christianity.
Given the statement in which I used the term, no, it's completely in context. And, the context is reinforced given that the person I made the statement to had just mentioned Nordic lore.

It is possible for a person to understand the context of a word with multiple definitions if they examine the context. Just as I pointed out that we understand what the word 'scripture' means, if it's mentioned by a person who has declared they are a Hebrew or Christian. As opposed to an unknown or other obvious contextual use.
 

McBell

Unbound
Since I just mentioned what context it's in, it's actually the opposite.
Actually, the analogy used was not the context.


As I said, if you were familiar. Most of you, it appears, aren't.
Now it appears you are back peddling.

From the perceived tone of the post containing "if you were familiar" your phrase "if you were familiar" was a jab at the other persons alleged lack of knowledge...
 

not nom

Well-Known Member
I never posted "material", you're projecting. I made statements about christianity, and got tired of the strawman that this implies something about "all christians" or other such exaggerations, anything other than what I actually said.

after explaining the same simple things several times over to you and others, I got tired of it. it's a loop of derp and your character is ****, so what the hey. bye.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I never posted "material", you're projecting. I made statements about christianity, and got tired of the strawman that this implies something about "all christians" or other such exaggerations, anything other than what I actually said.

after explaining the same simple things several times over to you and others, I got tired of it. it's a loop of derp and your character is ****, so what the hey. bye.

You can "explain" why you think the sky is orange with purple polka dots as many times as you like. It's still going to be blue.
 
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