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Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
It is a weird subject but textually Allah is genderless and this is mentioned many times to such an extent that Allah is said to have no likeness like anything int he universe. Allah in the Qur'an is not called a he as many times as he is referred upon as "we". But overall he has male attributes according to Muslims but the name Allah itself negates gender

"God" is also a genderless term but that doesn't change the fact that the monotheistic god is usually presented as a male. Only a very small minority of people use female imagery for their monotheistic god. I don't see anything feminine or female-friendly in this Allah. Whatever it is, it has pretty much the same character of the Yahweh of the OT - warlike, brutal, obsessed with rules, little compassion, angry, xenophobic, sexist, sex negative, etc. The god of the gospels seems to be a different god entirely from Yahweh and Allah.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
How silly is this.

Do you think God need to be a female or a male ?
Do you think God is human need to **** or being ******.

i wonder that people in the 21th century still have the same minds of the Jahiliyya.


And why exactly would a God that isn't male, give men LAWS to own multiple women, and murder women for not following patriarchal male laws???


The Abrahamic God is made up by a patriarchal culture, which skewed the laws "supposedly" from God - to male supremacy. They very obviously thought God was a male.



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askersha

Member
hello guys! I have joined such type of religious community for the first time, and I'm curious about knowing answer for the question "have you ever found any bug in Islam?" if yes, please tell me. I was sort of polytheist before, but now i'm just a Muslim after knowing strong arguments of Muslim scholars.

Edited later: i mean is there any Islamic teaching against humanity? against science? against moral values? any mistake you ever found in Quran?

At times, Allah uses grammar to address himself as singular and at times as plural. The example of singular: "Innee Faddhaltukum Alal Aalameen." (I have raised your degree above all the worlds)

The example of plural: "Inna NaHnu nazzalnazzikra wa inna lahu laHaafizoon." (Indeed WE have descended this Zikr and indeed WE are for it the PROTECTORS.)

Is Allah one or more than one?

Answer: Muhammad's Grammar was weak... or he was simply confused among one God, Trinity and 33 million Hindu Gods.
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
"God" is also a genderless term but that doesn't change the fact that the monotheistic god is usually presented as a male. Only a very small minority of people use female imagery for their monotheistic god. I don't see anything feminine or female-friendly in this Allah. Whatever it is, it has pretty much the same character of the Yahweh of the OT - warlike, brutal, obsessed with rules, little compassion, angry, xenophobic, sexist, sex negative, etc. The god of the gospels seems to be a different god entirely from Yahweh and Allah.

Allah is created by males and given male behavior which is obvious. The name though denies any gender but names are never used properly are they?

Allah was suppose to the cure for paganism at that time but it just became a masculine deity over due course of Islamic rule. This happens and it is to be expected. It does not change the fact that the word Allah is genderless
 
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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
"God" is also a genderless term but that doesn't change the fact that the monotheistic god is usually presented as a male. Only a very small minority of people use female imagery for their monotheistic god. I don't see anything feminine or female-friendly in this Allah. Whatever it is, it has pretty much the same character of the Yahweh of the OT - warlike, brutal, obsessed with rules, little compassion, angry, xenophobic, sexist, sex negative, etc. The god of the gospels seems to be a different god entirely from Yahweh and Allah.



You tell em! LOL! :D




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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Allah is created by males and given male behavior which is obvious. The name though denies any gender but names are never used properly are they?

Allah was suppose to the cure for paganism at that time but it just became a masculine deity over due time. This happens

Dude, you're tripping all over yourself to make Allah seem like he doesn't have any gendered character at all, but now you basically admit that Allah is male by proxy. So there's no point in nit-picking over this anymore. Allah is pretty much the Arab version of Yahweh at this point. You can't really argue with that.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
What are you rambling about? I am only mentioning what the text says. Learn Arabic before making claims with no evidence and above all else read the Qur'an.

You seriously have not a remote understanding of anything you are saying. Allah is not supposed to have a female name period! Allah is genderless and the male pronoun is the default pronoun used if sex is not determined. That is the way it has always been because women are deemed the passive partners. Why do you think at one point Pagan Arabs assigned wives to the ancient high god Hubal?

Allah is not a feminine god no matter what you say and especially considering you do not know a lick of Arabic. Allah and ilaha are not the name thing. You can kick and scream all you wish to but Allah is never going to be a female which is why there are Arabic names for the word goddess. Just because you want a deity to be female does not make the deity female nor male. Allah has no gender, this is a matter of etymology.



And this is just blabbing.


You know perfectly well this God, and this God's laws, were created by a patriarchy which thought God was male.


This is very obvious when reading any of the religions of Abraham's holy books. and their laws.



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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
How you judge with no knowledge?

Allah was never regard as a male or a female,God is only one and don't got sex organs as human do,but in Arabic language he or she can be used for anything according to grammar rules,for example "door" is regarded as masculine while "school" regarded as feminine but that doesn't mean that the door is male and the school is female but it is how it is fit in the Arabic grammar.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
At times, Allah uses grammar to address himself as singular and at times as plural. The example of singular: "Innee Faddhaltukum Alal Aalameen." (I have raised your degree above all the worlds)

The example of plural: "Inna NaHnu nazzalnazzikra wa inna lahu laHaafizoon." (Indeed WE have descended this Zikr and indeed WE are for it the PROTECTORS.)

Is Allah one or more than one?

Answer: Muhammad's Grammar was weak... or he was simply confused among one God, Trinity and 33 million Hindu Gods.

No it is due to that some minds are weak to comprehend and not Mohammed's grammer was weak.

God's decision which done by him will be singular whereas orders that executed by his Angels the word we is used instead of I.
 

askersha

Member
No it is due to that some minds are weak to comprehend and not Mohammed's grammer was weak.

God's decision which done by him will be singular whereas orders that executed by his Angels the word we is used instead of I.

I do have knock out answers. But I'd rather you stop chipping in the debate between Farrukh and me. Farrukh seems to have run away. So I won in this thread. :D
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I do have knock out answers. But I'd rather you stop chipping in the debate between Farrukh and me. Farrukh seems to have run away. So I won in this thread. :D

Claim for your prize then. :D

I don't think any one can win a debate which based on ones believe and opinions.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
How you judge with no knowledge?

Allah was never regard as a male or a female,God is only one and don't got sex organs as human do,but in Arabic language he or she can be used for anything according to grammar rules,for example "door" is regarded as masculine while "school" regarded as feminine but that doesn't mean that the door is male and the school is female but it is how it is fit in the Arabic grammar.

Lol, you go on telling yourself that your god isn't presented as a mean old narcissistic male tyrant.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
You cannot truly think religions that wrote laws that put men in charge of life and religion,

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Think about it from a seventh-century perspective. Patriarchy was essential to a family' -- and tribe's -- survival for the long-term. Sucks, maybe, but it's true.

Also, where does the Bahá'í Faith do this? Oh right, imaginationland.
somehow thought God was anything other then a male??? :sarcastic
But Judaism, Islam, and the Bahá'í Faith don't believe God is, or was male.
Only Christianity -- and arguably as actually male (excluding Jesus) and Mormonism do this.

Patriarchy can exist without a "male God", anyway. Or even with female gods, as well.

But then again, imaginationland is a powerful place.
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member

>Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

Many, MANY bugs, in fact!

You overlook the fact that both Surih 7 and Surih 54 mention swarms of locusts--and thus, LOTS of bugs! :)

Bruce
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Ingledsva said:
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You cannot truly think religions that wrote laws that put men in charge of life and religion,


- that felt they owned women,


- and murdered them for stepping out of patriarchal ideas,


- that obviously felt women were inferior, as it took a couple of them to come even with a male in court,


- that had women receive less inheritance, etc,


somehow thought God was anything other then a male???
Think about it from a seventh-century perspective. Patriarchy was essential to a family' -- and tribe's -- survival for the long-term. Sucks, maybe, but it's true.

Also, where does the Bahá'í Faith do this? Oh right, imaginationland.

But Judaism, Islam, and the Bahá'í Faith don't believe God is, or was male.
Only Christianity -- and arguably as actually male (excluding Jesus) and Mormonism do this.

Patriarchy can exist without a "male God", anyway. Or even with female gods, as well.

But then again, imaginationland is a powerful place.



ALL of the religions of Abraham originally thought God was male.


LOL! You can continue to say such, however, they obviously though God was a male.


As such their LAWS "from God" are for males, and against females.


Let us take your sentence - "Patriarchy was essential to a family' -- and tribe's -- survival for the long-term."


First off it isn't true, - but even if it were, - it would not explain a non-gender God handing down laws for the subjugation, ownership, abuse, rape, and murder of women.


Patriarchal males whom thought God was a male - MADE UP - these laws, - and - the God supposedly giving those laws. Hence a MALE God.


Again - why would a God that is not male or female, hand down PATRIARCHAL LAWS to live by?


Male ownership of the female, etc?


PS. The Baha'i, like the rest, say God is neither, but then still have Patriarchal male God ideas -

such as Male head of household,

more inheritance for males,

and MALES holding the RELIGIOUS POWER - to the TOTAL exclusion of women - by their LAWS!



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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
hello guys! I have joined such type of religious community for the first time, and I'm curious about knowing answer for the question "have you ever found any bug in Islam?" if yes, please tell me. I was sort of polytheist before, but now i'm just a Muslim after knowing strong arguments of Muslim scholars.

Edited later: i mean is there any Islamic teaching against humanity? against science? against moral values? any mistake you ever found in Quran?
I think the reason there are so many responses to this post is that people are looking at the trees, instead of the forest. Modern Muslim culture is primitive. It reflects badly on the premise that the Quran is accurate and complete as a guide for humanity.
In Muhammed's day it wasn't so. Muhammed did very well for himself. Instead of doing what most men would have done, either retire to a life of luxury and sycophants or die gloriously in battle, he founded a culture that was very sophisticated. The ethics, social norms, devotion to art and science, the whole of Islam was cutting edge in the day. Over the next few centuries Islamic culture grew upon that foundation, to become arguably the best culture on earth. By around 1000CE it was stable and wealthy, the sciences and the arts flourished, education thrived, by and large Muslim culture was the most sophisticated on earth.

In a way, it was too excellent for it's own good. It became too good to improve, and stopped doing so. Instead Muslims basked in the glory of the olden days, while other cultures continued to change and grow and improve. In time they passed Muslims by.

So today, from Japan to Venezuela, from Canada to China, from Denmark to Korea most of the world is far more sophisticated than Muslim countries. These more sophisticated places certainly have troubles and flaws, but they are 21st century problems, when Muslims are still trying to overcome 12th century problems. Muslims still have monarchies and are economic basket cases. If it weren't for the petroleum they sell to more developed cultures they mostly wouldn't matter to anyone else at all. Their governments are mostly corrupt kleptocracies and violence is still the usual way of settling disputes. They slice up their childrens genitals and blow up other Muslims in markets to further their causes and forbid people from saying things that are true and make changing religions a capital offense. Ethics, science, art, politics, philosophy, social norms, the world has moved on and Islamic culture has fallen behind because Islam teaches that the Quran is the absolute authority, complete and final, when the human race has moved beyond It. So now the Muslim world is mainly uneducated and poverty stricken, violent and oppressive, run by warlords,clerics, and kings, and little better than it was a thousand years ago.
That is a very large bug in the system. Anybody with the sense God gave a goose can see it.

Tom
 
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Breathe

Hostis humani generis
They killed off the Pagan Goddess mate to their male God.
They insist their male God never had a Goddess mate.
Because they believe God is unique, neither male nor female, and one without a second. What use is there for a female, if God is not a male?
 
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