Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

[askersha]

Don't make an argument about the quran while you have a complete ignorance of it,please study the quran very well so you can discuss it with knowledge.

The verse which you mentioned says that God made it easy for memorizing.

And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember? (54:40)

Watch how a child memorizing the quran while its not his native language

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Shaikh Fahad Al Kandari cries after seeing a young boy from Turkey memorize the Qur'an - YouTube

Here is a very good example of Muslims' "inventing" ever new meanings of words only to justify Quran. But I have the antidote. The two Arabic keywords used in this verse are "az-zikr" meaning "to mention for clarity" and "muddakir" meaning "one who thinks and tries to understand." Wow... I need not say anything else! You have been refuted. Neither do you seem to have any knowledge of Arabic, nor have you really tried to find out the truth.:clap

 

[askersha]

Make yourself more clear then.

What debate are you even talking about ? People are not in your head, if you ask a question let us know what you are really talking about.

I'm surprised that you ignored "what debate" is underway! It is the same debate that Farrukh started in this thread... Bugs in Quran !!!

 

[askersha]

Here's a whole website of "bugs" in Islam: WikiIslam

Have fun.

Yes brother... Good source mentioned. Thanks!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Not so.


The mere FACT that by the Laws, only men can be in this law making position, - speaks for itself, - and is gender discrimination no matter how you look at it.


That does not change - no matter how the men make decisions.



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No, it doesn't speak for itself. The UHJ is an infallible body, protected by God, and therefore these decisions although outwardly made by men, but they are under protection of divine guidance. But if you don't believe in God and His Prophets, I can understand. Please also note, the thread is about Islam. I didn't want to leave your question without reply, but if you want to continue, please do so in another proper thread.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Well, transgender people throw a kink in that, of course. I'm a man who can get pregnant, but I suppose that's neither here nor there...




That is just sexist nonsense. Women are not baby factories. They work and have careers. Some of them are presidents and prime ministers of nations. There is no reason why a woman can't be a part of your religion's upper government. We have 9 Supreme Court justices in the US but we managed to have multiple women on it at the same time!

Please let's keep this thread for its topic which is Islam. I can continue in another thread if you still want to continue. But I make this last reply with that regards:
Sure, women can be even president of a country, but that is a whole different topic. As regards to Religion, and its Laws, we cannot determine for God what He should do, or what He should not do. The Religion belongs to Him. If He wants to put this duty on the shoulder of Men, it is up to Him. If you don't believe in God, and you don't believe or accept that He does what He wills, or that His Wisdom is above human's Wisdom, or if you do not believe in Prophets, then that is a whole different topic.

 

[FearGod]

It's a creation of your mind. I'm sure you haven't been through the link I have posted or you wouldn't have answered it this way. On your part, in fact, it is the old Zakir Naik's "cup of tea trick" where he attempts to turn a contradiction to a contradistinction. It worked there, but not here! First read the whole think in the link I posted, and then try to refute the argument. It is clear hear: CREATION = 2 DAYS, PROVISIONS/DECORATIONS = 4 DAYS, HEAVENS ETC. = 2 DAYS. Eight in all... 8...

Better if you try to find something else than this silly issue,do you think the prophet didn't know how to count to 6.

The first verse in English and in Arabic says "in 2 days" and the 2nd verse says "in 4 days"

Let me explain it to you in much easier way as i know not all people can achieve good results in the IQ test.

Check this sentence "In one year babies can stand up and in 2 years they can walk"
So according to your mind in 2 years means he is 3 years old.

If you still don't understand and you won't understand,then ask a help from a friend.

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Sahih International
Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."​

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Sahih International
And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.​

 

[Leftimies]

Islam basically comes down to, "do a, b, and c, and believe this and go to paradise, and do x, y, and z, and fail to believe this, and you'll be tortured endlessly".

And it's presented as ethically acceptable and happily believed by followers. I've yet to see anyone explain that in terms that seems profound or interesting.

Truth does not need to be philosohpically deep, or interesting. Truth merely is, irrespective of that which anyone may think of it. Truth is not subjective, unlike the perceived depth of a given thought: truth simply exists.

It often is that the things simple come closest to the truth. Truth is profound, yes, and so is simplicity.

Is Qur'an truth? All truth and every truth? No. But it is not entirely wrong in some of its positions either, all though various portions of it are quite clueless.

 

[askersha]

Better if you try to find something else than this silly issue,do you think the prophet didn't know how to count to 6.

The first verse in English and in Arabic says "in 2 days" and the 2nd verse says "in 4 days"

Let me explain it to you in much easier way as i know not all people can achieve good results in the IQ test.

Check this sentence "In one year babies can stand up and in 2 years they can walk"
So according to your mind in 2 years means he is 3 years old.

If you still don't understand and you won't understand,then ask a help from a friend.

​

Sahih International
Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."​

​

Sahih International
And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.​

1. To avoid "wolf-pack attack" next time, I will reply to Farrukh and only Farrukh as the thread has been initiated by him. If you want to help him, please keep in touch with him in some way.

2. Posting attractive fonts and alluring typefaces won't change the truth. (a) read the link I originally posted. It answers all your tactics. (b) To simplify, if I say, the world was created in two days and decorated in four days, logically, the world needed to be there BEFORE the decoration even started. This separates the two days from the latter four. Your lame analogy could be considered only if it were, the world was created in four days (and not two) and the last two days were consumed in decorating the world. BUT, this is NOT the case. So, the 4 days decoration is possible only when the 2 days of creation has ALREADY taken place, i.e. 2+4 then 2 days of heavens etc. = The answer is still 8.

3. You wrote:

do you think the prophet didn't know how to count to 6.

(Well, could be ) Since Quran is said to have been compiled over years, it was easy for your prophet to forget the number of days he had dictated earlier... This very reason resulted in many more contradictions in the Quran.

 

[FearGod]

Here is a very good example of Muslims' "inventing" ever new meanings of words only to justify Quran. But I have the antidote. The two Arabic keywords used in this verse are "az-zikr" meaning "to mention for clarity" and "muddakir" meaning "one who thinks and tries to understand." Wow... I need not say anything else! You have been refuted. Neither do you seem to have any knowledge of Arabic, nor have you really tried to find out the truth.:clap

I don't know what your purpose of twisting the actual meaning of the words,do you think people are stupid here that you can fool them.

Here is the verse and the word of question which means to remember while you say it means to understand.

Sahih International
And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?

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[FearGod]

1. To avoid "wolf-pack attack" next time, I will reply to Farrukh and only Farrukh as the thread has been initiated by him. If you want to help him, please keep in touch with him in some way.

2. Posting attractive fonts and alluring typefaces won't change the truth. (a) read the link I originally posted. It answers all your tactics. (b) To simplify, if I say, the world was created in two days and decorated in four days, logically, the world needed to be there BEFORE the decoration even started. This separates the two days from the latter four. Your lame analogy could be considered only if it were, the world was created in four days (and not two) and the last two days were consumed in decorating the world. BUT, this is NOT the case. So, the 4 days decoration is possible only when the 2 days of creation has ALREADY taken place, i.e. 2+4 then 2 days of heavens etc. = The answer is still 8.

I think you need to relax,take deep breath and then think again

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3. You wrote: (Well, could be ) Since Quran is said to have been compiled over years, it was easy for your prophet to forget the number of days he had dictated earlier... This very reason resulted in many more contradictions in the Quran.

Yes he forgot that it should be 6 and think it was 8.

 

[FearGod]

No, I am not much better than Billy Shakespeare at writing, though I did stay in a Holiday Inn once.

In my view, the challenge fails, from the get go, because the very people who would need to judge the content have a conflict of interest. There is no possibility that Muslims would EVER admit that any other work was better than the Qur'an and so any prospective project would be doomed from the start - even if the quality and content was superior to that of the Qur'an.

In all fairness, I'd be more inclined to compare Mohammad to Stephen King. King is not a particularly brilliant writer, but is still immensely popular.

Was Stephen King illiterate and becomes a great writer in one day night,

Did he gain it through listening and traveling.

 

[McBell]

Was Stephen King illiterate and becomes a great writer in one day night,

Did he gain it through listening and traveling.

What part of the Koran did Mohammed write down?

I mean, you keep going on and on about Mohammed not being able to read and or write, the definition of illiterate, but you seem to be implying that Mohammed was stupid.

The inability to read and or write does not mean the illiterate individual is stupid.

 

[FearGod]

What part of the Koran did Mohammed write down?

I mean, you keep going on and on about Mohammed not being able to read and or write, the definition of illiterate, but you seem to be implying that Mohammed was stupid.

The inability to read and or write does not mean the illiterate individual is stupid.

Do you think that your silly point had answered my question regarding Stephen King.

 

[McBell]

Do you think that your silly point had answered my question regarding Stephen King.

my point shows your question is pointless.

Interesting how you failed to answer my question.
So how much of the Koran did Mohammed put to paper?

I mean, that is your point, right?
That Mohammed being illiterate means the Koran HAD to come from Allah?

It is no fault of mine you painted yourself into a corner.

 

[FearGod]

my point shows your question is pointless.

Interesting how you failed to answer my question.
So how much of the Koran did Mohammed put to paper?

I mean, that is your point, right?
That Mohammed being illiterate means the Koran HAD to come from Allah?

It is no fault of mine you painted yourself into a corner.

Show me one person in the history that was known to be an illiterate and that he in one day night authored a book that contains even universal facts which also some claimed that he studied the science of Greece.

 

[McBell]

Show me one person in the history that was known to be an illiterate and that he in one day night authored a book that contains even universal facts which also some claimed that he studied the science of Greece.

You first.
And no, Mohammed did no such thing.
He could not write, remember?

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

Show me one person in the history that was known to be an illiterate and that he in one day night authored a book that contains even universal facts which also some claimed that he studied the science of Greece.

Why does the Koran describe the 'universe' exactly as you would expect a 7th century desert dweller to do so?

 

[FearGod]

Why does the Koran describe the 'universe' exactly as you would expect a 7th century desert dweller to do so?

ًWould you please explain

 

[YmirGF]

Show me one person in the history that was known to be an illiterate and that he in one day night authored a book that contains even universal facts which also some claimed that he studied the science of Greece.

But if you are being truthful, FearGod, even Muhammad did no such thing... unless you are counting dozens of rants spaced out over 23 years as being "in one night". Sometimes he gave his latest surah in the daylight too. Like, c'mon, it's not like the Qur'an was revealed whole and complete. It was delivered a snippet at a time... with plenty of time between to consider the next sections. Over 23 years even a mediocre writer ought to be able to come up with something of some interest.

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

ًWould you please explain

If you look at scriptures from early religions they all have a similar erroneous view on our world.
The Koran shares those misconceptions which is what you would expect if the Koran was authored by a human.

For example, they all mention the primordial ocean creation myth from which the heaven and sky were created and then separated from one another.
The sky was initially joined to the earth and was considered solid before being raised up. The earth was therefore thought to be flat with a solid sky canopy like a dome covering the earth.

Why does the Koran share this erroneous view?