Have you ever witnessed magic work?

[shunyadragon]

Kind of like with prayer? I've seen you snubbing your nose at magic enough here, blind to that you likely do very similar things and hold them as true.

No! I do not hold anything as true! I believe in the results of science I hold to 'beyond a reasonable doubt,' and allow for further evidence for this knowledge to change.

I have a faith in God and do not consider my beliefs true 'beyond a reasonable doubt.

I am Socratic skeptic and question everything even what I believe.

I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil . . .

 

[shunyadragon]

If you have ever dabbled in magic and gotten the desired results, I'd appreciate your testimony. Thanks

I have dabbled in magic as a Mime and comedian, and the results are to make people, especially children, laugh and enjoy the illusion. I am strictly amateur, but appreciate the pros, a few I have known personally.

I am a great fan of James Randi.

 

[Skwim]

Whatever magic means to the individual posting

 

[Spiderman]

ace of clubs

 

[sun rise]

To me the classic story of magic is contained in the biography of Milarepa, Tibet's Great Yogi. The first part of the story is about him using magic to get revenge when he's been wronged. He then repents of his deeds and with the help of a guru becomes an Enlightened One.

 

[SabahTheLoner]

If you have ever dabbled in magic and gotten the desired results, I'd appreciate your testimony. Thanks

I actually had done healing magic on myself to ease physical pains I've been having. Since then I've seen magic work in even the smallest ways. If you believe in it, magic can work wonders, even in ways you don't expect.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

No! I do not hold anything as true!

So Baha'i don't pray? Learn something every day.

I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil . . .

And yet you're so certain about your misconceptions regarding magic.

 

[Ingledsva]

I know I'm among the least likely to say yes here, - but I will.

I was a Rosicrucian for years. They give exercises on manipulating raised vibrational energy.

The easiest was putting a candle in front of you , raising your energy, and changing the candle flame's color, which of course is a vibrational wavelength change. The second was moving a small rounded object like a pencil, - using the same raised vibrational energy.

Both worked.

I just don't consider it magic, but as something natural that we just don't understand yet, - in a VERY FEW instances.

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[EtuMalku]

If you have ever dabbled in magic and gotten the desired results, I'd appreciate your testimony. Thanks

I'll have to begin with the definitions that I go by followed by brief examples.

Magic / Magick has a few levels to it.
Stage magic: which utilizes sleight of hand / illusion; we've all seen this
White magick: which is the deception of one's conscious awareness into believing that one has been accepted by some form of Supreme Being / Energy otherwise known as the objective universe; religions do this
Lesser black magick: which is the art of getting what you want, an art of manipulation; you've seen street magicians use NLP, advertising agencies, and politicians all use this
Greater black magick: which is the Great Work of Self-Deification (autotheism/apotheosis); can't help you with any examples here . . .

 

[SalixIncendium]

There are gullible fools that will believe the results of whatever if the result is what they desire it to be.

*smiles* Did you just call me a gullible fool?

Since this isn't in a debate forum, I have no intention of debating with you on this subject ITT (feel free to start a thread on this topic in one of the debate fora). I will simply offer this...

Do crystals actually heal? I tend to consider rocks themselves emitting healing energies as pseudoscience. Science agrees with me on this point. However, if nothing more, they act as a placebo, which has scientific foundation in curing some illnesses and allaying symptoms of others. So do they work? Science says yes.

As far as tarot cards are concerned, they aren't magical in and of themselves. In my experience, they're simply a tool used to tap into the Self. While I still own two decks, I haven't used them in quite some time as I've moved beyond the need to do so.

 

[SalixIncendium]

No! I do not hold anything as true! I believe in the results of science I hold to 'beyond a reasonable doubt,' and allow for further evidence for this knowledge to change.

I have a faith in God and do not consider my beliefs true 'beyond a reasonable doubt.

I am Socratic skeptic and question everything even what I believe.

I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil . . .

Yet you have the audacity to call others "gullible fools" for believing in magical results.

Hypocrisy ITT

 

[SalixIncendium]

I actually had done healing magic on myself to ease physical pains I've been having. Since then I've seen magic work in even the smallest ways. If you believe in it, magic can work wonders, even in ways you don't expect.

What kind of healing magic did you use? I practice Reiki, and though I've had success in aiding others, I've had little to no success on myself.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I'll have to begin with the definitions that I go by followed by brief examples.

Magic / Magick has a few levels to it.
Stage magic: which utilizes sleight of hand / illusion; we've all seen this
White magick: which is the deception of one's conscious awareness into believing that one has been accepted by some form of Supreme Being / Energy otherwise known as the objective universe; religions do this
Lesser black magick: which is the art of getting what you want, an art of manipulation; you've seen street magicians use NLP, advertising agencies, and politicians all use this
Greater black magick: which is the Great Work of Self-Deification (autotheism/apotheosis); can't help you with any examples here . . .

If I have a glass of water, it is colorless. If I pour cream into the water, it becomes white. If I pour toner into it, it becomes black.

Magic(k) has no color. It just is. It is intent that colors it.

 

[shunyadragon]

So Baha'i don't pray? Learn something every day.


And yet you're so certain about your misconceptions regarding magic.

Baha'is pray, but not for personal benefit. or the expectation of results in the manner Christians pray, nor how people expect magic to work.

The prayers are more on the line of praying for guidance so the we may follow the spiritual teachings of the Baha'i Faith.

Baha'is believe strongly in the harmony of science and religion.

 

[EtuMalku]

If I have a glass of water, it is colorless. If I pour cream into the water, it becomes white. If I pour toner into it, it becomes black.

Magic(k) has no color. It just is. It is intent that colors it.

The words white and black indicate magick for another (white), or magick for one's self (black), there are no bigot innuendos being implied.

 

[SalixIncendium]

The words white and black indicate magick for another (white), or magick for one's self (black), there are no bigot innuendos being implied.

Nor did I insinuate that you were making that implication. My point was that magic(k) without intent is colorless. There is no black or white magic until intent is applied.

 

[allfoak]

Kind of like with prayer? I've seen you snubbing your nose at magic enough here, blind to that you likely do very similar things and hold them as true.

It's fine.
He has little knowledge of the subject and therefore unable to do anything but make a fool of himself.

 

[shunyadragon]

It's fine.
He has little knowledge of the subject and therefore unable to do anything but make a fool of himself.

Need more of a coherent response to be meaningful without the demeaning innuendo.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The prayers are more on the line of praying for guidance so the we may follow the spiritual teachings of the Baha'i Faith.

Which is for personal benefit, and no different at all from someone using tarot or runes for divination.

 

[EtuMalku]

Nor did I insinuate that you were making that implication. My point was that magic(k) without intent is colorless. There is no black or white magic until intent is applied.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that black does not relate to maleficent and white beneficial. Of course I may be simply reading too much I to your comment, which is probably the case.