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Hays, Kansas bans Satanist attire.

PureX

PureX

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Heyo said:
Same difference. Clothes and hairstyles are the first means of children to express their individuality. Suppressing that, either by parents or teachers, are methods of cults (see Steven Hassan's BITE Model of Authoritarian Control under behaviour control: "4. Control types of clothing and hairstyles").
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That's just foolish. Kids need to learn when to suppress their individuality for the sake of the group endeavor, and when not to. Or they grow up to be selfish idiot parents that don't know, and so meddle in and disrupt their own kid's education.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Subduction Zone said:
No, that is only if one believes the Genesis myth. Remember, we can't take the Bible totally at its world. It regularly lies about others. One has to use a bit of rational thinking when analyzing it. One cannot go by what the Bible says alone.
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If that were true why would I pick and choose to believe parts of it?
No, it never lies. It's all truth.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Heyo said:
Exactly, the Bible attributes evil to him - against the evidence it itself gives.

Alternatively we could analyse what morality would lead to Satan being the bad guy despite what is on his score board. What did he do what was "evil"? He disobeyed and he got humans to disobey. The first "sin" was disobedience. Disobedience by children was an offence punishable by stoning.
That is what makes Satan such a sympathetic figure to many. Thinking for yourself and opposing authority is a bad thing in biblical morality, worse than genocide. Refusing an order to kill is worse than killing.
That's a convenient morality for every dictator.
Do you know what prevents dictators? People who say "non serviam".
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Wow, you really don't understand what scripture teaches. Jesus opposed the authorities of his time, so you have that wrong.
What is on Satan's score board? Every death. Death didn't exist until he tempted man.
God is constantly leading us towards life and liberty and Satan is constantly leading towards death and fear and hate and strife.
Every negative in this world is on his scoreboard.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Wildswanderer said:
If that were true why would I pick and choose to believe parts of it?
No, it never lies. It's all truth.
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It doesn't have to lie to be wrong. And the Bible is demonstrably wrong again and again and again.

You should not conflate being wrong with being a liar. If the later were truen then you would be a terrible liar here. And I do not think that is the case. You are merely wrong quite often.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Subduction Zone said:
It doesn't have to lie to be wrong. And the Bible is demonstrably wrong again and again and again.

You should not conflate being wrong with being a liar. If the later were truen then you would be a terrible liar here. And I do not think that is the case. You are merely wrong quite often.
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You just said it lies, now you are trying to back pedal.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Wildswanderer said:
Wow, you really don't understand what scripture teaches. Jesus opposed the authorities of his time, so you have that wrong.
What is on Satan's score board? Every death. Death didn't exist until he tempted man.
God is constantly leading us towards life and liberty and Satan is constantly leading towards death and fear and hate and strife.
Every negative in this world is on his scoreboard.
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Sorry, but you are demonstrably wrong right here. Death has been on the Earth almost since life began. And there was no Garden of Eden, no Adam. That is a myth. Remember how the Bible is demonstrably wrong quite often?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Wildswanderer said:
You just said it lies, now you are trying to back pedal.
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No, it still has clear lies in it. But you do conflate telling lies with being wrong quite often. When it talks about other peoples of its time it does lie quite frequently. Satan is a myth so can one lie about a myth? I am not sure. When it comes to Satan it is at best wrong.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Subduction Zone said:
No, it still has clear lies in it. But you do conflate telling lies with being wrong quite often. When it talks about other peoples of its time it does lie quite frequently. Satan is a myth so can one lie about a myth? I am not sure. When it comes to Satan it is at best wrong.
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Nope I've experienced him and unfortunately he's no myth. I'm also quite sick of his lies and am preparing for battle once again. My mistake was assuming I could issue him a challenge without taking into consideration what others would do. Now I'm only challenging him on my own terms. No matter what others choose I'm staying with God.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Wildswanderer said:
Nope I've experienced him and unfortunately he's no myth. I'm also quite sick of his lies and am preparing for battle once again. My mistake was assuming I could issue him a challenge without taking into consideration what others would do. Now I'm only challenging him on my own terms. No matter what others choose I'm staying with God.
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But you yourself have demonstrated that even you do not really believe that. You are afraid to put your beliefs to a proper test. Too many Christians conflate testing their beliefs with "testing God".
 
PureX

PureX

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Revoltingest said:
Train them to be good obedient unquestioning
little worker bees who do as they're told for the
benefit of the hive, eh.
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It's really sad that that's all you could see in what I posted. You must really dislike me to be that myopic about it.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Wildswanderer said:
I have no idea what you are going on about.
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And that is the problem . You cannot afford to think rationally and maintain your belief so whenever reality raises its head you have to run away.

If you really wanted to know the truth you would have no problem testing your beliefs properly. If you truly believed what you claim to believe you would have no problem testing them properly. It appears that part of your mind holds huge doubts about your beliefs.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Subduction Zone said:
And that is the problem . You cannot afford to think rationally and maintain your belief so whenever reality raises its head you have to run away.

If you really wanted to know the truth you would have no problem testing your beliefs properly. If you truly believed what you claim to believe you would have no problem testing them properly. It appears that part of your mind holds huge doubts about your beliefs.
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What are you even talking about? It's like you're carrying on some conversation that's not even here.
 
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