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[It Aint Necessarily So]

Is this what you mean? "cherry picking" scriptures to present false impression?

Cherry picking means choosing what one thinks makes his case while disregarding what suggests otherwise.

what exactly is false in "Telling someone to jump off the roof is good?"

It's a question, not a declarative statement, so it cannot be true or false. The discussion began with the statement, "Satan is generally the good guy in the Bible if you understand the book." Your rebuttal seemed to be your question asking if telling someone to jump off a roof was good. Presumably, that was your counterargument to the claim cited here. If so, you seemed to be arguing that if Satan did that, he's the bad guy.

Where are all of the scriptures you bypassed that demonstrate the moral failings of the principal deity, like where he sends bears to mangle children or orders them dashed upon the rocks? Where are all of the genocides committed or commanded by the deity? How about that flood? Satan's a piker compared to that. How does that jumping compare to what Yahwey did to Job? Once again, it was suggested that you consider the entire Bible and ALL scriptures relevant t the comparison of Yahweh and Satan.

The character of the OT deity is absolutely reprehensible. Satan is the good guy by comparison. Here's what Dawkins had to say about it: "The god of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Care to rebut that? Care to explain hardening Pharaoh's heart and then killing the Egyptian firstborn rather than simply liberating the Hebrews himself? Care to explain the Garden story and how that represents a good and loving god? Or hell.

If there are Satanists who worship Satan and those who don't, which ones represent what Satanism is?

Both. If there are Christians who worship saints and those who don't, which represent Christianity?

 

[paradox]

The correct ones being the ones that agree with you? Sounds like quote mining to me.

I was asking @Subduction Zone to give correct passage that agrees with him.
But you read this as if I asked him to prove me right, which I did not ask

 

[John53]

No, testing God is sin.
Jesus provided all sorts of evidence in other places, therefore giving evidence is not sin.

But Jesus is God in Christianity (well for most Christians).... is that a test or just providing evidence?

 

[paradox]

It's a question, not a declarative statement, so it cannot be true or false.

Whether Satan is good or bad is a matter of true or false.
Are you saying there is other possibility?

 

[John53]

I was asking @Subduction Zone to give correct passage that agrees with him.
But you read this as if I asked him to prove me right, which I did not ask

You know how I read things? Interesting.

 

[paradox]

But Jesus is God in Christianity (well for most Christians).... is that a test or just providing evidence?

Maybe a better question would be, why does the devil need evidence at all??

 

[John53]

Maybe a better question would be, why does the devil need evidence at all??

No idea, I don't pretend to know what other beings (or people) are thinking.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I have read it. I assume that you have too, but you have not understood it. That is clear. There is only one mass murderer in the Bible and it is not Satan.

Well Satan tried to murder Jesus. Dumb *** thought telling him to jump off a roof would actually work .
But no, the Bible clearly says Satan is the enemy and attributes evil to him and his demons. You would know that if you read it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

quoting more of text doesn't make you correct, you need to make your point with correct passages, which you have not done.

It showed that you were quote mining. I made my point. You did not make yours.

testing God is sin, it is sin because God commands not to test him, braking commandment is a sin.
What is the definition of sin? | GotQuestions.org

Why? Why is it a sin to test God? The only reason that I can think of is because it shows that God does not exist. Remember how I added the qualifier of a rational reason? Because the Bible says so is not a rational reason.

You are asking for my opinion here, would my opinion prove me right?
Can you quote a portion which says what would happen if he jumped?

You could try to demonstrate that you can reason rationally. I will not hold my breath. And your second question is pointless. No such quote is needed.

What exactly you do not understand? or what exactly do you mean by "rational"?
Is "Son of God does not sin" not rational for you?

Nope. That is a tautology. You statement was not rational. And don't ask others what they do not understand. it does not work when you are relying on a book of myths for your reasoning.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well Satan tried to murder Jesus. Dumb *** thought telling him to jump off a roof would actually work .
But no, the Bible clearly says Satan is the enemy and attributes evil to him and his demons. You would know that if you read it.

Did he now? Or was he just showing that Jesus was a fraud? Jesus ran away with a lame excuse.

And yes, the Bible does falsely claim that Satan is evil when all of the evidence shows that God is the problem. Haven't you read that book of myths?

 

[paradox]

It showed that you were quote mining. I made my point. You did not make yours.

You don't make a point by saying "I made a point".
How to Make a Point: 10 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow

Nope. That is a tautology.

It would be tautology if:
"Not sinning means to be Son of God"
Tautology (logic) - Wikipedia

You statement was not rational.

You failed to answer to my previous question "What do you mean by 'rational' in this context?"
Which suggests that you are not interested in constructive conversation.

And don't ask others what they do not understand.

Your comments are unclear and evading in nature, and the only logical explanation is that you do not understand something.

it does not work when you are relying on a book of myths for your reasoning.

Ad hominem - Wikipedia

Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than addressing the substance of the argument itself.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Did he now? Or was he just showing that Jesus was a fraud? Jesus ran away with a lame excuse.

And yes, the Bible does falsely claim that Satan is evil when all of the evidence shows that God is the problem. Haven't you read that book of myths?

So, Jesus should have flexed his power just to show off to the prince of evil?
That would have been lame.
Jesus didn't need to use his power to defeat the satan at his own game.
As the Word, Yeshua only needed words to win.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't make a point by saying "I made a point".
How to Make a Point: 10 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow


It would be tautology if:
"Not sinning means to be Son of God"
Tautology (logic) - Wikipedia


You failed to answer to my previous question "What do you mean by 'rational' in this context?"
Which suggests that you are not interested in constructive conversation.


Your comments are unclear and evading in nature, and the only logical explanation is that you do not understand something.


Ad hominem - Wikipedia

Oh my, major failure on all counts. I dislike conversations when they have blown up to this point. Try to remain on point. Pick your best argument and see if you can support it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, Jesus should have flexed his power just to show off to the prince of evil?
That would have been lame.
Jesus didn't need to use his power to defeat the satan at his own game.
As the Word, Yeshua only needed words to win.

It would not have been "showing off" if he was who he claimed to be. You keep forgetting that your side "won" in your story only because you are the ones telling the story. But even with the believers controlling the narrative one can see that the problem was never Satan.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I find it far more effective to blend in and exploit the culture around you to achieve your goals

By saying "OK" and turning the other check when wronged and not fighting when something rightfully yours is taken away?

No, I find it far more effective to blend in and exploit the culture around you to achieve your goals then to spend all that time on your knees begging to be accepted.

Fighting when something that is rightfully yours is taken away is "spending time on the knees begging to be accepted"?

 

[Wildswanderer]

It would not have been "showing off" if he was who he claimed to be. You keep forgetting that your side "won" in your story only because you are the ones telling the story. But even with the believers controlling the narrative one can see that the problem was never Satan.

The problem is sin, which was started by Satan, so yeah.

 

[Viker]

why do you think quoting the bible is sin?


If Satan is just symbol or metaphor then there is no subject or worship and thus this confirms Satanism isn't religion.

No. It's a religion. A religion doesn't need to worship a god or gods to be considered a religion. Sorry to burst your bubble. But Satanism is an established religion. And there are theistic varieties of Satanism. I'm a member of an off shoot of theistic Satanism myself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The problem is sin, which was started by Satan, so yeah.

No, that is only if one believes the Genesis myth. Remember, we can't take the Bible totally at its world. It regularly lies about others. One has to use a bit of rational thinking when analyzing it. One cannot go by what the Bible says alone.

 

[Heyo]

Well Satan tried to murder Jesus. Dumb *** thought telling him to jump off a roof would actually work .
But no, the Bible clearly says Satan is the enemy and attributes evil to him and his demons. You would know that if you read it.

Exactly, the Bible attributes evil to him - against the evidence it itself gives.

Alternatively we could analyse what morality would lead to Satan being the bad guy despite what is on his score board. What did he do what was "evil"? He disobeyed and he got humans to disobey. The first "sin" was disobedience. Disobedience by children was an offence punishable by stoning.
That is what makes Satan such a sympathetic figure to many. Thinking for yourself and opposing authority is a bad thing in biblical morality, worse than genocide. Refusing an order to kill is worse than killing.
That's a convenient morality for every dictator.
Do you know what prevents dictators? People who say "non serviam".

 

[PureX]

The grown ups would be snowflakes to care about superficial things like clothes.

Or just self-centered idiots using their kids to push their own political agendas.