Headline: Science develops treatment therapy to cure and prevent homosexuality!

[rasor]

Ok, now your just confusing the hell out of me. What does any of that have to do with your relationship with your father? Sorry, maybe I'm just not able to understand your point of view.

The "father" bit was an example of how your "3 cornered relationship bit " doesn't work.Especially with men.Men have sex for the lolly pop,gays have just got the flavours mixed up.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

there is no such thing as " being gay".


what is wrong to me is.

sex with animals
sex with someone you are not married too.
sex with your relatives
sex with your same gender

its all sin........:candle: ( of course this is my slanted " religious view")

My question is where do you draw the line towards enforcement? It is fine if you think these things are wrong and so choose not to do them. But it is wrong for you to impose these views on other people.

I believe it is wrong to force abstinence and refuse marriage to those who love each other in the name of a religion they don't believe in.

 

[rasor]

Not at all. You contend that it's not "natural" to have sex with a man. My previous argument still stands for atheists as well. Anyone who uses the argument that homosexuality is not natural has no logical reason to back it up. What's considered natural? Something that shows up in nature in abundance? Is that your definition of "natural"?

If you want to delude yourself that its nature induced to have sex with the same sex as yourself carry on being deluded.Its mearly a corrupted message

 

[rocka21]

Exactly. And your religious view should not be pushed on me or anyone by using genetic inoculations to prevent homosexuality. That's the argument of the OP.

My guess is that your two arguments against homosexuality would be:

1. It's sin against God. And if that doesn't get you anywhere.....
2. It's not a natural practice.

I'm simply trying to point out that both those arguments are flawed. Your God is not everyone's God. Your views on what's "natural" is not correct.

I did not " PUSH" any views. But anyway, what gives " homosexuals" the right to push their views on Me?

you say my arguments are flawed, i say yours are flawed.

by the way i just need #1.

the athiest can argue #2.:angel2:

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

The "father" bit was an example of how your "3 cornered relationship bit " doesn't work.Especially with men.Men have sex for the lolly pop,gays have just got the flavours mixed up.

Still not making the least bit of sense to me. Why does your confusion of the relationship between intimate couples and the relationship between family members discredit my statement? I just don't get it. It does sound as though you don't like sex. You seem to be saying that sex is purely for the biology of the act and has no other reason, therefore to have sex for any reason other than procreation is wrong, no matter what the flavor of the lollypop is. Not sure what's up with that but I certianly don't agree with it. There is no fear at all of humanity coming to an end because everyone suddenly became homosexual and quit reproducing and to use it as an arguement is pretty weak.

 

[Buttercup]

I did not " PUSH" any views. But anyway, what gives " homosexuals" the right to push their views on Me?

Have you forgotten the questions in the OP?

Would you or would you not advocate governmental testing, research or inoculations if invented to prevent homosexuality?

 

[rocka21]

Have you forgotten the questions in the OP?

Would you or would you not advocate governmental testing, research or inoculations if invented to prevent homosexuality?

sorry........:sorry1:


the goverment can test all they want, but to me, its a sin issue.:yes:

 

[Autodidact]

there is no such thing as " being gay".


what is wrong to me is.

sex with animals
sex with someone you are not married too.
sex with your relatives
sex with your same gender

its all sin........:candle: ( of course this is my slanted " religious view")

Oh, you think it's a sin. O.K., that's your prerogative. Of course, that has nothing to do with it being wrong. You do realize that, right? That an individual religious belief about sin has absolutely nothing to do with morality. Like a lot of people think eating bacon is a sin, but that doesn't make your BLT immoral. See? So, aside from you believing that it's sinful, is there anything actually wrong with it?

 

[Autodidact]

I did not " PUSH" any views. But anyway, what gives " homosexuals" the right to push their views on Me?

Did someone try to prevent you from participating in heterosexuality? Did someone try to force you to have gay sex? Then no one is trying to push anything on you, they're just trying to get you to leave them alone. See the difference? It's a bit subtle, but if you think hard and try to imagine it from the other person's point of view, you should be able to get it.

you say my arguments are flawed, i say yours are flawed.

by the way i just need #1.

I'll give you #1. You think it's a sin. O.K. So what? I think your socks are a sin--should that have the slightest effect on your hosiery choices?

 

[Autodidact]

sorry........:sorry1:


the goverment can test all they want, but to me, its a sin issue.:yes:

How does this sound: you think it's a sin, so you don't do it. Fair? Ted Haggard should have gone that route, instead of trying to deprive other people of the right to marry; he'd be in a much better position now.

 

[rocka21]

Oh, you think it's a sin. O.K., that's your prerogative. Of course, that has nothing to do with it being wrong. You do realize that, right? That an individual religious belief about sin has absolutely nothing to do with morality. Like a lot of people think eating bacon is a sin, but that doesn't make your BLT immoral. See? So, aside from you believing that it's sinful, is there anything actually wrong with it?

wrong.
that which is wrong, or not in accordance with morality, goodness, or truth; evil: I committed many wrongs.

moral
of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.

it has everything to do with morality if i get my morality from the bible.

 

[MaddLlama]

it has everything to do with morality if i get my morality from the bible.

Well, I suppose that explains it.

 

[rocka21]

Did someone try to prevent you from participating in heterosexuality? Did someone try to force you to have gay sex? Then no one is trying to push anything on you, they're just trying to get you to leave them alone. See the difference? It's a bit subtle, but if you think hard and try to imagine it from the other person's point of view, you should be able to get it.

I'll give you #1. You think it's a sin. O.K. So what? I think your socks are a sin--should that have the slightest effect on your hosiery choices?

did someone try to force me to think there is nothing " wrong " with gay sex?
is someone trying to push kids in school to learn about " gay" families?
just leave me alone. see the difference?

its a bit subtle, but if you think hard and try to imagine it from the christian point of view , you should be able to get it.

 

[rocka21]

Well, I suppose that explains it.

ding , ding, ding, ding,

we have a winner!!!!

YES!

the same bible EVERY president will put his hand on before he leads this nation.

one nation under god with liberty and justice for all.
in god we trust.
do you swear to tell the truth so help you GOD?
God bless American land that i love , stand beside her and guide her......

the bible seems to be the basis for " morals" for most of this country.

so yes , to most christians in america, it is moraly wrong.

 

[Autodidact]

wrong.
that which is wrong, or not in accordance with morality, goodness, or truth; evil: I committed many wrongs.

moral
of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.

it has everything to do with morality if i get my morality from the bible.

Do you have a right to make me get my morality from your Bible?

Would you like an orthodox Jew, who gets his morality from the Bible, be able to tell you that your dietary habits are immoral?

Here's the deal: You have a right to derive your morality from whatever Bronze age book of tribal myths you like. You don't have the right to impose those standards on anyone else.

As a society, morality is a joint question about agreed upon values, such as not harming other people. Trying to impose your religious beliefs on other people would be pushing your views on others, and we know you're against that.

 

[Autodidact]

did someone try to force me to think there is nothing " wrong " with gay sex?

No, you're free to believe whatever crap you like. No one is trying to force you think anything.

is someone trying to push kids in school to learn about " gay" families?

Newsflash--everything kids learn in school is pushed.

just leave me alone. see the difference?

Yes, I do. We're trying to live our lives as we see fit, and you're trying to make us conform to your personal view of what is and is not sinful. btw, did I mention your socks? You don't wear them in public, do you?

its a bit subtle, but if you think hard and try to imagine it from the christian point of view , you should be able to get it.

(1) Yours is not the only Christian point of view by a long shot. (2) I do. Your point of view is that you have the right to make the rest of conform to your ideas about sin. You're wrong, you don't. And would you please get rid of those socks? They violate my ideas about sin.

 

[rasor]

Still not making the least bit of sense to me. Why does your confusion of the relationship between intimate couples and the relationship between family members discredit my statement? I just don't get it. It does sound as though you don't like sex. You seem to be saying that sex is purely for the biology of the act and has no other reason, therefore to have sex for any reason other than procreation is wrong, no matter what the flavor of the lollypop is. Not sure what's up with that but I certianly don't agree with it. There is no fear at all of humanity coming to an end because everyone suddenly became homosexual and quit reproducing and to use it as an arguement is pretty weak.

I love sex,BUT,I also realise what its for.You are correct,I am saying it is purely for the procreation of the species (any species come to that).You are wrong in saying that I think having sex for any other reason than procreation is wrong.You are getting mixed up with your personal reasons and the underlying reasons for sex.The underlying reason for sex is for reproduction,nothing more.Your genes are only interested in that.You as a person may (or may not) have other personal reasons but in the universal scheme of things they are insignificant.
As regards everyone becoming homosexual this is just an hyphothesis of why reproduction is the prime reason for sex ie if it happened we would die out.
Enjoy your sex.elaborate it with as much emotive reasoning you want,BUT don't deny why its there, REPRODUCTION.
ps sorry for the late reply,been down to the pub .

 

[Autodidact]

ding , ding, ding, ding,

we have a winner!!!!

YES!

the same bible EVERY president will put his hand on before he leads this nation.

one nation under god with liberty and justice for all.
in god we trust.
do you swear to tell the truth so help you GOD?
God bless American land that i love , stand beside her and guide her......

the bible seems to be the basis for " morals" for most of this country.

so yes , to most christians in america, it is moraly wrong.

Are you sure? Have you done a poll?

If the majority of Americans were Jewish, should they have the right to force you to keep kosher?

O.K., then most Christians in America should not do it. That says nothing about their right to control those of us who disagree with them.

Are you at all familiar with the American concept of the separation of Church and state? You might want to brush up on it, as your forefathers fought and died defending it.

 

[rocka21]

No, you're free to believe whatever crap you like. No one is trying to force you think anything.
Newsflash--everything kids learn in school is pushed.
Yes, I do. We're trying to live our lives as we see fit, and you're trying to make us conform to your personal view of what is and is not sinful. btw, did I mention your socks? You don't wear them in public, do you?

(1) Yours is not the only Christian point of view by a long shot. (2) I do. Your point of view is that you have the right to make the rest of conform to your ideas about sin. You're wrong, you don't. And would you please get rid of those socks? They violate by ideas about sin.

how can i " MAKE" you do anything? you say i am tring to make you conform.

no , i just stated my beliefs and why i believe them.


i love how wearing my socks is compared to / thou shall not kill. ( nice):thud:

 

[rocka21]

Are you sure? Have you done a poll?

If the majority of Americans were Jewish, should they have the right to force you to keep kosher?

O.K., then most Christians in America should not do it. That says nothing about their right to control those of us who disagree with them.

Are you at all familiar with the American concept of the separation of Church and state? You might want to brush up on it, as your forefathers fought and died defending it.

its funny how all those litle things just " slipped " in there.

mabey from our forefathers?:drool: