Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Everywhere they have the audacity to get sick, Kathryn. Not every illness can be cured in the ER.
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Healthcare is a privilege or a right?
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tomato1236
Ninja Master
Oh. Well what's the point in getting sick if you can't be cured?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
LOL, well, I do agree that sometimes we need to be protected FROM public education.
But it beats no education at all.
But I digress.
Doctors are in it in part for the money. Why not? Personally, you couldn't pay me ENOUGH money for me to cut someone open, reach inside them, and hold their very life in my hands. No way.
As for my orthopedic surgeon, I hope he makes a nice chunk o change off my achilles tendon. He did a fine job on it, and I am grateful for his capitalistic mindset AND his great personality and skill - which he paid for out of his own pocket, and may STILL be paying for in all likelihood. Along with his hellish malpractice insurance premiums, ongoing training, office and equipment space, etc.
He's a partner in a private clinic. Because of the capitalistic and entrepreneurish attitude of he and his partners, I was able to have treatment at a top notch clinic. I wish all of them great success.
That being said, I am not naive. I realize that the medical and insurance industries need close examination, and should be held to the HIGHEST standards of transparency, since something so precious - life itself - is entrusted to them.
I trust something that precious more to individuals than to a vast government system.
One thing I am really glad for though, is that this debate has focused more attention, and hopefully more accountability, on the medical and insurance industries. I want them to be accountable for their actions.
But I don't mind them getting rich off well done work. Hell, that's my own personal goal for my family as well.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
So, once again - where in the US are babies in need being denied necessary medical treatment?
Or as my first question posed, Where in the United States are babies dying because their parents can't afford the medical care they need to live?
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
I realize the truth is inconvenient, but it's not going away.
ninerbuff
godless wonder
For some health care is about life and death. Both of my parents were in the medical field my dad and ER tech and my mom and OBYN nurse practitioner. They saved lives everyday and my mom even delivered babies. There were many babies she delivered that had problems because the mother had no health care to see a doctor during her pregnancy.
Some people will have accidents. Should a person be held accountable that took a bullet because they were an innocent bystander caught in a crossfire?
We can make health care affordable for everyone, with good service. We just have to quit giving free money to the ******* that run the system.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Storm - I respect you, and I think you bring a lot to the table to think about from a perspective that differs from mine, but I've asked twice, and you still haven't given me any specifics on my very pertinent question, which is:
Where in the United States are babies dying because their parents can't afford the medical care they need to live?
Do you have a clear, specific answer and source? If so, I really, truly want to hear it, because I think it would be an awful scenario, and I would definitely back reform in that area.
No child should suffer unnecessarily due to the irresponsibility of others. That being said, unfortunately (as our courts and child protective services can attest to) no amount of legislation can eradicate irresponsibility and poor life choices.
It's a pity, because my heart breaks for children who suffer.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Not sure what this has to do with my argument?
I think if society is going to pay for healthcare then it should be funded by the very source of bad health. Government should highly tax fast food, alcohol, cigarettes,all junk food.
It should be provided through these taxes.
I think healthy foods should be more affordable.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
And yet gun-ownership is a right. In the US, everybody gets a gun but only people with money get health care.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
And yet gun-ownership is a right. In the US, everybody gets a gun but only people with money get health care.
Yeah. Where's my government-funded gun?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Amen to this.
The only way for publicly funded healthcare to be ethical at all is to raise taxes on unhealthy practices.
I'm all for it.
And it's a misconception that healthy foods are more expensive than junk foods. It is entirely possible for most people to eat healthily if they have the money to buy junk food.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Here's another question I have - or rather an observation.
Before my husband started his own business, he was in upper mgmt for an oilfield services company. During that time, he personally hired a man with pre existint cirhossis of the liver, and two men whose wives were suffering from TERMINAL CANCER.
Guess what - every one of these people obtained group health insurance for themselves and their spouses - at a cost no higher than anyone else in the company.
Also, when my husband left that job and I added him onto my BCBS insurance, there was no health questionaire at all. I just added him. For all they knew, he was critically ill. But he was covered.
Most companies offer health care insurance as a company benefit. If your company doesn't, I suggest you find a different employer - one who does. And if you want to own your own business, know going into it that you will have to pay higher premiums because you will not be part of a large group. It's the cost of doing business, and if your business is profitable enough, it's worth it. If not - work for someone else who carries a benefits plan.
All life choices have consequences - some good, and some bad - and limitations. Work within your realistic options.
And I am all for government subsidized healthcare insurance for those who truly cannot afford to work and pay for their own. But the accountability must be high, for both the providers and the receivers of the benefits.
Before my husband started his own business, he was in upper mgmt for an oilfield services company. During that time, he personally hired a man with pre existint cirhossis of the liver, and two men whose wives were suffering from TERMINAL CANCER.
Guess what - every one of these people obtained group health insurance for themselves and their spouses - at a cost no higher than anyone else in the company.
Also, when my husband left that job and I added him onto my BCBS insurance, there was no health questionaire at all. I just added him. For all they knew, he was critically ill. But he was covered.
Most companies offer health care insurance as a company benefit. If your company doesn't, I suggest you find a different employer - one who does. And if you want to own your own business, know going into it that you will have to pay higher premiums because you will not be part of a large group. It's the cost of doing business, and if your business is profitable enough, it's worth it. If not - work for someone else who carries a benefits plan.
All life choices have consequences - some good, and some bad - and limitations. Work within your realistic options.
And I am all for government subsidized healthcare insurance for those who truly cannot afford to work and pay for their own. But the accountability must be high, for both the providers and the receivers of the benefits.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
Me, I think statements like "would you let a baby die?" Are just too much. I mean, speaking religiously, God lets babies die, does he not? Why aren't you petitioning to pay for healthcare for those in Africa whose babies are dying? What about the entire world? You don't care about African babies just because they don't live near you? What kind of monster are you???!!!
When I was in jr. high school I moved from one state to the other. Part of the culture of my new locale was a abhorrance of competition, commendation and of failure of any kind. In P.E. We didn't keep score. If you keep score, someone will win and someone will lose, and that would make the losers feel bad. So to eliminate the bad feelings, we just eliminated the game. No point in getting good at basketball if you can't lose no matter what. I wasn't good at basketball, but I remember thinking this was ridiculous. This same thing applied to sports, grades, and plays and everything. I feel it's this same appeal to the emotions that is used to argue for ANYTHING socialized. "What about the babies?" Everybody loves babies. They're so cuuute. I love babies. I have a baby. He is CUTE. And I would be ruined if he died. I still think we should keep score. Sometimes basketball feels bad. But if you don't keep score, nobody wants to play anymore.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
I'm sorry, Kathryn, but I've answered twice, too. The fact that you don't like the answer doesn't invalidate it.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
It's not because of Kathryn that it's invalid. It's invalid because it doesn't answer her question.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Yeah, it does.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Why can't everyone see this point of view?
tomato1236
Ninja Master
No, it doesn't.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
For real. I only get sick when I have a lot of money and nothing to spend it on.