Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Really? Where do actions NOT have consequences?
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Healthcare is a privilege or a right?
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Storm, in spite of my three requests for an actual source (other than your own opinion) you have not chosen to provide any actual real life examples of children in the US being denied necessary medical care, or dying because their parents could not afford the care the children needed.
You answered, alright - but your answer wasn't backed by anything other than your opinion. All you said was basically, "Uh-HUH - it is SO true! I said it's true, so it's true!"
Like I said, if you can provide true examples of this happening, I will be up in arms with you, because as God is my witness, this won't happen on my watch - not without a fight. It is within our ability as a society to provide necessary healthcare for the children of our society.
Smoke
Done here.
Alabama.
Alabama's Infant Mortality Rate Decreases In 2008
Having no insurance is associated with the highest infant mortality. In 2008, mothers with private insurance had the lowest infant mortality rate (6.9), followed by women receiving Medicaid (10.8), and worst, self pay (20.1).
An infant whose parents have no insurance is almost three times as likely to die in infancy as an infant whose parents have private insurance.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Smoke - is that high infant mortality rate because of a true LACK of available programs (both public and private) that provide prenatal and infant care, or is it because the mothers/parents do not take advantage of the available programs and/or take responsible care of their health or their childrens' health?
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Or - Oh, I was so tempted to write something else but I refrained.
Anyway - as in the case of my pregnant 19 year old daughter - there were all sorts of programs available for her - both public and private. She had to do her homework though - and she still had to take care of herself during the pregnancy, and be a responsible mother after the baby was born. No one could do that for her.
And she did NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE by the way. But she did take responsibility for her health and the health of her baby, and she took advantage of government and private programs fully.
Result - healthy mom and healthy baby, even though she was only five pounds and born a month early.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Or - Oh, I was so tempted to write something else but I refrained.
Anyway - as in the case of my pregnant 19 year old daughter - there were all sorts of programs available for her - both public and private. She had to do her homework though - and she still had to take care of herself during the pregnancy, and be a responsible mother after the baby was born. No one could do that for her.
And she did NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE by the way. But she did take responsibility for her health and the health of her baby, and she took advantage of government and private programs fully.
Result - healthy mom and healthy baby, even though she was only five pounds and born a month early.
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
I suppose it's just my opinion that water is wet, too? When you deny life-saving care, like chemotherapy, people die. That's just facts.
Just out of curiosity, how young does a person have to be for you to care?
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
You mean where's my free gun? Sit tight, free guns are on the way. They're being handed out with Bibles.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
Terrific. But if I'm getting a free gun, it had better be the Rolls Royce of guns, or I will feel entirely shortchanged.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
With all this focus on healthcare reform in the US, if children were dying because they were being refused medical attention by the medical community, you'd think that would make the news. Not a single source?
Come on!
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Plenty, in fact. But why bother when you'll just wave them away, like you did with Smoke? What was that about horses and water?
Smoke
Done here.
Unfortunately, I don't have any data about how many mothers are just irresponsible sluts who don't love their kids, and I doubt that you do, either. In the absence of such data, I guess everybody is free to make whatever uncharitable assumptions he wants.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Well, how else can you justify it?
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
All over America due to the fact they must go to an emergency room to see a doctor. This means problems are not found to late.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Smoke, here is some information on programs available to women and children in the "fine" state of Alabama.
State of Alabama
Alabama does have an official Office on Women's Health and there is a dedicated women's health coordinator position.
The Alabama Legislature passed Act 2002-141, which was signed into law on May 12, 2002, creating the Office of Women's Health within the Alabama Department of Public Health. The office was created to be an advocate for women's health issues. Purposes of the office as described in the legislation are as follows:
Home > OWH Home > Regional Offices and Programs > Region IV > Women's Health Agenda
The women's health agenda for Region IV are:
Minority Women's Health
Programs and Events
Minority Women's Health Panel of Experts
The Office on Women's Health (OWH) established the Minority Women's Health Panel of Experts in response to its 1997 conference, "Bridging the Gap: Enhancing Partnerships to Improve Minority Women's Health." The panel is composed of physicians, clinicians, community advocates, and academicians working in communities and health settings around the country that serve racially and ethnically diverse women. The five major ethnic groups (African-American, American Indian/Alaska Native, Asian American, Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander, and Hispanic) are represented among the panel members, who have expertise in a variety of disciplines. The major focus of the panel is to ensure that the ethnic minority focus is incorporated throughout OWH programs, policies and initiatives by:
It has been the goal of OWH to provide support to minority and underserved women's-focused conferences, programs/projects, seminars, and workshops. In relation to the OWH mission to foster partnerships to eliminate health disparities, this support mechanism works to strengthen the capacity of communities of color to promote women's health across the lifespan. Supporting minority programs/projects/conferences allows OWH to have a presence at the community level to deliver health promotion messages in a culturally-competent and linguistically-appropriate manner. Collaboration support and funding are provided via professional services contracts (competitive awards) for activities designed for diverse racial and ethnic minority women’s populations (African-American, Caribbean American, Asian American and Pacific Islander, Native Hawaiian, Hispanic/Latina American, Native American/Alaska Native, and immigrant women).
Eligible entities may include: community- and faith-based organizations, minority-serving institutions of higher education, clinics and hospitals, state and local government agencies, tribal government entities and organizations, and small health education non-profit organizations.
The burden of many health problems is especially heavy for minority women. The Department of Health and Human Services has an array of programs and initiatives across the agencies that address health disparities in minority populations and work towards reducing this disease burden. Below is a list of some of these resources.
Additional Resources
CDC — Office of Minority and Women's Health — The mission of the Office of Minority and Women's Health in the National Center for Infectious Diseases is to assure that the burden and impact of infectious diseases among racial and ethnic minorities and women is acknowledged and addressed through research, surveillance, education, training, and program development.
CDC's WISEWOMAN — Well Integrated Screening and Evaluation for Women Across the Nation — The WISEWOMAN Program consists of 12 CDC-funded WISEWOMAN demonstration projects in states, territories, and tribes.
HHS Minority Health Initiatives — This Web site is a gateway to the Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Minority Health initiatives.
Minority Women's Health Panel of Experts — The Office on Women's Health (OWH) established the Minority Women's Health Panel of Experts in response to its 1997 conference, "Bridging the Gap: Enhancing Partnerships to Improve Minority Women's Health." The panel is composed of physicians, clinicians, community advocates, and academics working in communities and health settings around the country that serve racially and ethnically diverse women.
National Center on Minority Health and Health Disparities (NCMHD) — The NCMHD works with the National Institutes of Health and with other federal agencies and grassroots organizations in minority and in other medically underserved communities to promote minority health.
Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) — HRSA directs programs that improve the nation's health by expanding access to comprehensive, quality health care for all Americans.
Let Everyone Participate (LEP) — LEP.gov promotes a positive and cooperative understanding of the importance of language access to federal programs and federally assisted programs.
Senate Committee on Indian Affairs — The Committee on Indian Affairs has jurisdiction to study the unique problems of American Indian, Native Hawaiian, and Alaska Native peoples and to propose legislation to alleviate them.
HRSA Programs on the Border — The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Health Resources and Services Administration supports programs that promote access to health care services for underserved and vulnerable populations, including individuals living along the U.S.–Mexico border. Healthy Border 2010 aims to improve the quality of life, increase the number of years of healthy life, and eliminate health disparities.
Indian Health Service — The mission of the Indian Health Service (IHS) is to raise the physical, mental, social, and spiritual health of American Indians and Alaska Natives. IHS accomplishes this through ensuring that comprehensive, culturally acceptable health services are available and accessible to American Indian and Alaska Native people.
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Region IV << Regional Offices and Programs << The Office on Women's Health << womenshealth.gov
State of Alabama
Alabama does have an official Office on Women's Health and there is a dedicated women's health coordinator position.
The Alabama Legislature passed Act 2002-141, which was signed into law on May 12, 2002, creating the Office of Women's Health within the Alabama Department of Public Health. The office was created to be an advocate for women's health issues. Purposes of the office as described in the legislation are as follows:
- To educate the public and be an advocate for women's health by establishing appropriate forums to educate the public regarding women's health, with an emphasis on preventive health and healthy lifestyles.
- To assist the state health officer in identifying, coordinating and establishing priorities for programs, services and resources which the state should provide for women's health issues and concerns.
- To serve as a clearinghouse and resource for information regarding women's health data, services and programs that address women's health issues.
- To provide an annual report on the status of women's health and activities of the office to the governor and the legislature.
Home > OWH Home > Regional Offices and Programs > Region IV > Women's Health Agenda
The women's health agenda for Region IV are:
- To raise awareness of women's health issues and define it as it encompasses a women's life span
- To collect data from each state in the Region and compile a systematic format
- To identify key women health status indicators such as the number of domestic violence reports against women; number of women living in poverty; incidence of breast cancer, lung cancer, venereal disease, diabetes, HIV/AIDS and disparity issues, and to hold focus groups to reach consensus on key indicators
- To develop strategies to address the identified key issues
- To create a Women's Leadership Institute for Health Policy in Atlanta to offer a week-long course of study for up to 80 selected health care professionals each year from state and local organizations across the Region.
Minority Women's Health
Programs and Events
- Minority Women's Health Panel of Experts
[*][URL="http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/#b"]Minority Partnerships and Sponsorships - Other Federal Programs
- Additional Resources
Minority Women's Health Panel of Experts
The Office on Women's Health (OWH) established the Minority Women's Health Panel of Experts in response to its 1997 conference, "Bridging the Gap: Enhancing Partnerships to Improve Minority Women's Health." The panel is composed of physicians, clinicians, community advocates, and academicians working in communities and health settings around the country that serve racially and ethnically diverse women. The five major ethnic groups (African-American, American Indian/Alaska Native, Asian American, Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander, and Hispanic) are represented among the panel members, who have expertise in a variety of disciplines. The major focus of the panel is to ensure that the ethnic minority focus is incorporated throughout OWH programs, policies and initiatives by:
- Providing input to and serving as a resource for the United States Department of Health and Human Services' (DHHS) Office on Women's Health, in support of the OWH's goals to improve the health of women and in the development of minority women's health initiatives;
- Providing input to the Department/Secretarial initiatives, targeted to enhance the health of minority women in the United States.
It has been the goal of OWH to provide support to minority and underserved women's-focused conferences, programs/projects, seminars, and workshops. In relation to the OWH mission to foster partnerships to eliminate health disparities, this support mechanism works to strengthen the capacity of communities of color to promote women's health across the lifespan. Supporting minority programs/projects/conferences allows OWH to have a presence at the community level to deliver health promotion messages in a culturally-competent and linguistically-appropriate manner. Collaboration support and funding are provided via professional services contracts (competitive awards) for activities designed for diverse racial and ethnic minority women’s populations (African-American, Caribbean American, Asian American and Pacific Islander, Native Hawaiian, Hispanic/Latina American, Native American/Alaska Native, and immigrant women).
Eligible entities may include: community- and faith-based organizations, minority-serving institutions of higher education, clinics and hospitals, state and local government agencies, tribal government entities and organizations, and small health education non-profit organizations.
The burden of many health problems is especially heavy for minority women. The Department of Health and Human Services has an array of programs and initiatives across the agencies that address health disparities in minority populations and work towards reducing this disease burden. Below is a list of some of these resources.
Additional Resources
CDC — Office of Minority and Women's Health — The mission of the Office of Minority and Women's Health in the National Center for Infectious Diseases is to assure that the burden and impact of infectious diseases among racial and ethnic minorities and women is acknowledged and addressed through research, surveillance, education, training, and program development.
CDC's WISEWOMAN — Well Integrated Screening and Evaluation for Women Across the Nation — The WISEWOMAN Program consists of 12 CDC-funded WISEWOMAN demonstration projects in states, territories, and tribes.
HHS Minority Health Initiatives — This Web site is a gateway to the Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Minority Health initiatives.
Minority Women's Health Panel of Experts — The Office on Women's Health (OWH) established the Minority Women's Health Panel of Experts in response to its 1997 conference, "Bridging the Gap: Enhancing Partnerships to Improve Minority Women's Health." The panel is composed of physicians, clinicians, community advocates, and academics working in communities and health settings around the country that serve racially and ethnically diverse women.
National Center on Minority Health and Health Disparities (NCMHD) — The NCMHD works with the National Institutes of Health and with other federal agencies and grassroots organizations in minority and in other medically underserved communities to promote minority health.
Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) — HRSA directs programs that improve the nation's health by expanding access to comprehensive, quality health care for all Americans.
Let Everyone Participate (LEP) — LEP.gov promotes a positive and cooperative understanding of the importance of language access to federal programs and federally assisted programs.
Senate Committee on Indian Affairs — The Committee on Indian Affairs has jurisdiction to study the unique problems of American Indian, Native Hawaiian, and Alaska Native peoples and to propose legislation to alleviate them.
HRSA Programs on the Border — The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Health Resources and Services Administration supports programs that promote access to health care services for underserved and vulnerable populations, including individuals living along the U.S.–Mexico border. Healthy Border 2010 aims to improve the quality of life, increase the number of years of healthy life, and eliminate health disparities.
Indian Health Service — The mission of the Indian Health Service (IHS) is to raise the physical, mental, social, and spiritual health of American Indians and Alaska Natives. IHS accomplishes this through ensuring that comprehensive, culturally acceptable health services are available and accessible to American Indian and Alaska Native people.
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Region IV << Regional Offices and Programs << The Office on Women's Health << womenshealth.gov
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
But wait - there's MORE!
African American Infant Mortality Awareness Campaign
A Healthy Baby Begins with You
Let's face it! Infant mortality rates among African American babies are twice as high as those of the general population. But infant mortality is preventable and a healthy baby begins with you.
The Office of Minority Health (OMH), of the Department of Health and Human Services, is launching A Healthy Baby Begins with You - a national campaign to raise awareness about infant mortality with an emphasis on the African American community - as one of our efforts to end health disparities among racial and ethnic minorities.
Let's face it! Infant mortality rates among African American babies are twice as high as those of the general population. But many of the causes of infant mortality are preventable and A Healthy Baby Begins with You.
In May 2007, the Office of Minority Health (OMH), of the Department of Health and Human Services launched A Healthy Baby Begins with You - a national campaign to raise awareness about infant mortality with an emphasis on the African American community - as one of our efforts to end health disparities among racial and ethnic minorities.
Campaign Goals
From that perspective, the campaign is a success, and OMH keeps receiving requests for new events and for distribution of its materials. But in those travels OMH has heard one question from the local communities, organizations and health departments: now what? How can we move forward and take advantage of this initial push? This has been reinforced by the many questions and messages A Healthy Baby Begins with You spokesperson Tonya Lewis-Lee has received asking her what would come next.
And what comes next is the Preconception Peer Educators (PPE) Program for college students. OMH is conducting a pilot of the PPE Program on college's campuses this September, for Infant Mortality Awareness Month. The Preconception Peer Educators (PPE) Program was launched with a two-day training at Howard University, August 8-9, 2008, for the first crop of peer educators who would be training their peers at each of the pilot sites. Learn more about the Preconception Peer Educators (PPE) Program.
A Healthy Baby Begins with You Campaign Overview - The Office of Minority Health
All that's just federal brouhaha? Maybe so - and if it is, then what makes anyone think that the federal government will do a good job targeting women in Alabama when and if they get their hands on the FULL MONTY of healthcare?
But that's just a FEW of the FEDERAL PROGRAMS already available to low income women and minority women in Alabama. Let's take a look at some of the STATE programs as well:
African American Infant Mortality Awareness Campaign
A Healthy Baby Begins with You
Let's face it! Infant mortality rates among African American babies are twice as high as those of the general population. But infant mortality is preventable and a healthy baby begins with you.
The Office of Minority Health (OMH), of the Department of Health and Human Services, is launching A Healthy Baby Begins with You - a national campaign to raise awareness about infant mortality with an emphasis on the African American community - as one of our efforts to end health disparities among racial and ethnic minorities.
In May 2007, the Office of Minority Health (OMH), of the Department of Health and Human Services launched A Healthy Baby Begins with You - a national campaign to raise awareness about infant mortality with an emphasis on the African American community - as one of our efforts to end health disparities among racial and ethnic minorities.
Campaign Goals
- Extend and continue broad infant mortality awareness campaign; add preconception and inter-conception health messages.
- Develop activities targeted to the 18+ population.
- Reach the college-age (black) population with targeted health messages emphasizing preconception health and healthcare.
- Train minority college students – blacks in particular – as health ambassadors.
- Increase OMH involvement with colleges and universities, in particular minority serving institutions such as HBCUs.
- Strengthen OMH leadership at the local level through the establishment of working partnerships with Healthy Start Programs, State/City Health Departments, State OMHs and CBOs.
From that perspective, the campaign is a success, and OMH keeps receiving requests for new events and for distribution of its materials. But in those travels OMH has heard one question from the local communities, organizations and health departments: now what? How can we move forward and take advantage of this initial push? This has been reinforced by the many questions and messages A Healthy Baby Begins with You spokesperson Tonya Lewis-Lee has received asking her what would come next.
And what comes next is the Preconception Peer Educators (PPE) Program for college students. OMH is conducting a pilot of the PPE Program on college's campuses this September, for Infant Mortality Awareness Month. The Preconception Peer Educators (PPE) Program was launched with a two-day training at Howard University, August 8-9, 2008, for the first crop of peer educators who would be training their peers at each of the pilot sites. Learn more about the Preconception Peer Educators (PPE) Program.
A Healthy Baby Begins with You Campaign Overview - The Office of Minority Health
All that's just federal brouhaha? Maybe so - and if it is, then what makes anyone think that the federal government will do a good job targeting women in Alabama when and if they get their hands on the FULL MONTY of healthcare?
But that's just a FEW of the FEDERAL PROGRAMS already available to low income women and minority women in Alabama. Let's take a look at some of the STATE programs as well:
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Even if the problems are found in plenty of time, whether or not the doctors will intervene is another matter. If a doctor swiftly diagnosis my liver problem but balks at my lack of insurance, he's not much good to me or my liver.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
I do and have done something.
You see Jesus said feed my sheep.
Ethics can be put in an hierarchy.
Some people only care about themselves, the next step is your family, then people who live in your county, then all people, and best of all every creatures that flies, swims or crawls.
No all can be saved, but we must try to do our best. There are limited resources. All of this must be taken into account.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
State programs in Alabama that address the needs of women and infants:
Welcome to HealthInsurance.Alabama.Gov
Just a snippet:
ALL Kids Program
SECHIP is a health insurance plan for children (newborn through 18 years of age) of low income (100-200% federal poverty level) state employees and retirees.
A child is eligible for coverage under SECHIP if the child is:
For more information contact the State Employees Insurance Board at 800-513-1384 or 334-883-5900.
So - my question is - are the programs UNAVAILABLE to women and children in Alabama - or are they simply not taking advantage of them?
Also -if they are available, being used, and are still not effective - what does that tell us? Could it tell us that maybe the combination of poverty, poor public education, often irresponsible behavior, and government healthcare not be the most effective sort of structure?
Welcome to HealthInsurance.Alabama.Gov
Just a snippet:
ALL Kids Program
- ALL Kids is the Children’s health insurance Program offered by the Alabama Department of Public Health for children under age 19. ALL Kids helps families who do not qualify for Medicaid because they make too much money or do not earn enough to get private health insurance or participate in an employer’s health insurance benefit.
- The Health Coverage Tax Credit (HCTC) is a federal tax credit that may pay up to 65% of qualified health plan premiums for eligible trade-impacted workers and certain Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) benefit recipients.
- Medicaid is the health plan for low-income families and people who have long-term medical problems funded by the state and federal government. Medicaid offers insurance for low-income pregnant women, children, and disabled individuals, as well as for certain people on Medicare and nursing home residents.
SECHIP is a health insurance plan for children (newborn through 18 years of age) of low income (100-200% federal poverty level) state employees and retirees.
A child is eligible for coverage under SECHIP if the child is:
- Eligible for coverage as a dependent under the State Employees health insurance Plan (SEHIP)
- Under 19 years of age
- In a family with an income from 100% to 200% of the federal poverty level; (examples of income are: wages, commissions, salaries, Social Security benefits, child support, unemployment compensation benefits, and cash contributions from friends or relatives.)
- Ineligible for Medicaid
- Not covered by another health insurance plan (excluding SEHIP and supplemental coverages)
- Not in an institution
For more information contact the State Employees Insurance Board at 800-513-1384 or 334-883-5900.
So - my question is - are the programs UNAVAILABLE to women and children in Alabama - or are they simply not taking advantage of them?
Also -if they are available, being used, and are still not effective - what does that tell us? Could it tell us that maybe the combination of poverty, poor public education, often irresponsible behavior, and government healthcare not be the most effective sort of structure?