Heaven and John the Baptist

[djhwoodwerks]

2 Timothy 4:3

What it doesn't say - people gather teachers who will tickle the people's ears.
That doesn't even make sense!

What (I think) it says - the people gather to teachers, but the teachers that they gather to are rubbing their (own) ears.

The people's ears aren't be tickled. The teachers' hands are on their own ears.

It just means they find teachers that teach what they want to hear, so they don't have to face the truth.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Why not someone give me just one example of a teacher that was gathered to the people by the people?

Hahaha People can't even agree on anything and the Bible seems to say that they agree on what teacher to listen to and what the teacher should teach.
If that was what the poor soul Paul wrote, then why didn't he just us the word for puppet?

No teacher that I ever heard of would admit that they teach because the people made them and that they teach what the people want to hear.

Same as above! They just find teachers who teach what they want to hear. They don't want hell to be true, so they find teachers who teach against it. They can't accept or understand that Jesus was God in flesh, so they find teachers who say He wasn't.

 

[savagewind]

Same meaning.

Like people who are afraid that hell is real, they will gather around them/gather around teachers who teach that hell is not real and that there's no life after death, just to soothe their fears.

'Rub their ears' - Same as above. I believe that some people believe they won't "be good enough" to go to heaven, and are afraid of hell, so they find teachers that teach against it so they won't have to think about it.

It is my opinion that you are showing me an example of a man who is rubbing his ear.

I will rub my ear when I hear something that I do not like. You do not like going beyond the status quo, so you rub your ears.

 

[savagewind]

It just means they find teachers that teach what they want to hear, so they don't have to face the truth.

The Bible does not talk about those people. The Bible talks about the people for God. 2 Timothy isn't gossip. It is a WARNING!

 

[savagewind]

It just means they find teachers that teach what they want to hear, so they don't have to face the truth.

No. They do not give the good news of the Kingdom the benefit of a person's own doubt, so they gather to someone who looks like he knows what he is talking about.

It is not about making himself freer. It is about giving up his personal journey. It is too hard for some people. It isn't about finding a teacher that will say sin is OK. It is about finding a teacher who looks like he can keep the people in line. NOT OUT OF LINE.

Trust me. LOL LOL LOL LKOKLLONB

 

[savagewind]

Can anyone please just agree with me that it was written for the people who are searching and NOT NOT NOT NOT the people who do not give a ****.

I mean, The Bible. The Bible is not for the people who do not care what it says. It was written for the people who DO care what it says!

Anyway, I wasn't wrong about speaking to the windstorm. A small consolation.

 

[savagewind]

When did plenty of Christian teachers start teaching that sin is ok? I say plenty because they seem to have their own scripture about them. When was 2 Timothy 4:3 written and why would God think it is important to know what bad people will do?

 

[savagewind]

Scared, tired, and confused people are not bad. Those are the people who give up searching. Instead of giving up on God, they gather to teachers who they believe are still searching. 2 Timothy 4:3

 

[savagewind]

But the teachers that they gather to are not teaching the honest word of God.
They are blocking their ears to what they don't want. knēthomenoi tēn akoēn
Definition: I rub, tickle, scratch; pass: I itch.
Strong's Greek: 2833. κνήθω (knéthó) -- to scratch, itch

 

[savagewind]

@djhwoodwerks Please take your index finger, bend it and rub it on your ear. What do you get?

Do it to both ears. Is .....

Oh! Read Matthew 14:1 with the Greek. What is ear translated there?

 

[savagewind]

Instead of meditating on the mean of the words, meditate on the words.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

But the teachers that they gather to are not teaching the honest word of God.
They are blocking their ears to what they don't want. knēthomenoi tēn akoēn
Definition: I rub, tickle, scratch; pass: I itch.
Strong's Greek: 2833. κνήθω (knéthó) -- to scratch, itch

Why did you stop the definition where you are trying to put your own twist on it?

g2833. κνήθω knēthō; III. desirous of hearing something pleasant

 

[savagewind]

Why did you stop the definition where you are trying to put your own twist on it?

g2833. κνήθω knēthō; III. desirous of hearing something pleasant

That is right! The simple Good News, but isn't it true that those teachers described at 2 Timothy put their own rub on it? Did you rub your ear? It is noise you get. They hear more noise than they hear any truth. The people who are desirous to hear the good news of God trust ear rubbers for it. It's a warning.

 

[savagewind]

Stop gathering to teachers who add noise to the good news.

 

[savagewind]

@djhwoodwerks I think you are kind to keep on talking to me. Thank you.

 

[savagewind]

God's Word is for warning people who might listen and who care to listen. If you think there is a word in there about people who do not care to listen, then you have the wrong translation.

 

[Katzpur]

There's no salvation in any organization, no church, no religion, no person, only Jesus. Not Baptist, not Pentecost, not Jehovah's witnesses, not Islam, not Mormons, Jesus and Jesus alone.

That's right. And I suspect that most of those religions would agree with you.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

That is right! The simple Good News, but isn't it true that those teachers described at 2 Timothy put their own rub on it? Did you rub your ear? It is noise you get. They hear more noise than they hear any truth. The people who are desirous to hear the good news of God trust ear rubbers for it. It's a warning.

It's not a warning, it's a prophecy more or less.

2 Timothy 4:3 (ESV Strong's) 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

People won't want to listen to sound teaching, like, hell, the immortal soul, life after death, all the saved go to the same place, so they will look for teachers that teach what they want to hear, hell isn't real, there's no life after death, no immortal soul, only a few go to heaven.

 

[savagewind]

It's not a warning, it's a prophecy more or less.

2 Timothy 4:3 (ESV Strong's) 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

People won't want to listen to sound teaching, like, hell, the immortal soul, life after death, all the saved go to the same place, so they will look for teachers that teach what they want to hear, hell isn't real, there's no life after death, no immortal soul, only a few go to heaven.

I am still giving the Bible the benefit of the doubt that it is really what God has for us to know.
WHY would God have prophesied that? What is the purpose of knowing it?

 

[savagewind]

I shall wait for the answer to the question. Why does the Bible prophesy about worldly people? They don't care! Why must I care? Why had God prophesied what we can see with our own eyes?
Why was it important (I am assuming that what God has said is important) for them to know that the unborn would be unjust?