DavidFirth
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I'm not a Jehovah's Witness. I will not ever be one. I am a follwer of Jesus Christ. I don't care what they think if they aren't in line with the Gospel message. It sounds to me like they aren't.
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Heaven and John the Baptist
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I'm not a Jehovah's Witness. I will not ever be one. I am a follwer of Jesus Christ. I don't care what they think if they aren't in line with the Gospel message. It sounds to me like they aren't.
djhwoodwerks
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The reason their 'slave' keeps changing it's mind is because they only teach their own reasoning's of what they read, they aren't led by God, Jesus nor the Holy Spirit. Examples:
*** w07 1/1 p. 27 par. 9 “The First Resurrection”—Now Under Way! ***
As this journal has often shown, that battle began in 1914. Notice, though, that none of Christ’s anointed followers are said to be with Jesus in that heavenly war. Now look at chapter 17 of Revelation. We read there that after the destruction of “Babylon the Great,” the Lamb will conquer the nations. Then it adds: “Also, those called and chosen and faithful with him will do so.” (Revelation 17:5, 14) “Called and chosen and faithful” ones must already have been resurrected if they are to be with Jesus for the final defeat of Satan’s world. Reasonably, then, anointed ones who die before Armageddon are resurrected sometime between 1914 and Armageddon.
They aren't really sure, they are just guessing.
"Anointed ones are resurrected between 1914 and Armageddon" that isn't stated as fact from scripture, but a 'reasonable conclusion' that they have made.
*** w07 1/1 p. 28 par. 11 “The First Resurrection”—Now Under Way! ***
11 What, then, can we deduce from the fact that one of the 24 elders identifies the great crowd to John? It seems that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today.
"What, then, can we deduce from the FACT...?"
They "deduced from fact" and got, "It seems that" and "may be involved".
Their, deducing, "arrive at (a fact or a conclusion) by reasoning; draw as a logical conclusion:", becomes, "It seems that resurrected ones" and "24-elders group may be involved".
djhwoodwerks
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That's why we need to show the evil in their leaders, the governing body is leading them astray. Individual witnesses need to be shown the false teachings and realize that Jesus is the only way, not some church or business/org nor any set of men.
Like, witnesses are told they get to God THRU Jesus, and at the same time they are told Jesus is not their mediator, and they just can't see the deception in it!
Non-Christians are the multitude. I don't think it takes the multitude to get the job done.
If a person does not cause trouble for another on purpose, he is fine by me.
I have a knack for knowing what size container any volume of anything will fit in.
I get it right every time and have got it right for many years, too many years to remember.
Do you think Jehovah trusts me to get it right the next time?
Some things the Jehovah's Witnesses do not consider.
Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but they deny Him by their actions.
Psalm 146:3
Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation.
2 Timothy 3:13
while evil men and imposters go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
1 Samuel 8:6-7
And the thing is evil in the eyes of Samuel, when they have said, 'Give to us a king to judge us;' and Samuel prayeth unto Jehovah. And Jehovah saith unto Samuel, 'Hearken to the voice of the people, to all that they say unto thee, for thee they have not rejected, but Me they have rejected, from reigning over them.
It really isn't a word game.
I know that when a Jehovah's Witness reads 1 Samuel 8-7 she thinks, "the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses isn't a king". That is true.
But because it is true that those men do not call themselves your king, you ignore the SPIRIT of the words. Those men decide what you will think, say, want, do and not do. It is my opinion that what they stand for is much greater than what any king has ever stood for.
I know that when a Jehovah's Witness reads 1 Samuel 8-7 she thinks, "the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses isn't a king". That is true.
But because it is true that those men do not call themselves your king, you ignore the SPIRIT of the words. Those men decide what you will think, say, want, do and not do. It is my opinion that what they stand for is much greater than what any king has ever stood for.
The correct answer is of course not! Jehovah God does not trust me for anything, actually.
It is not because I won't do God will. It is just because I don't always know what it is.
But, to be a Jehovah's Witness (a proper one
) you have to first put your trust in the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses which, I believe, is strictly ruled against per order of Jehovah. There have even been Bible stories written about people who were in places of relative trust and please look at the outcome of such loyalty to trust. I think there have been no Watchtower articles about the trust that a JWs is supposed to be putting in their governing body should certainly be relative.
I would like one, please, @djhwoodwerks, if you have seen one like that.
There is one thing I wouldn't do for Jehovah God, actually more than one, but God knows I won't be searching through publications of the Jehovah's Witness ever. I think that even if I was in solitary confinement and the only things I had to read were those, I probably wouldn't. And I probably wouldn't get scissors, paper, and glue for making collages out of them.
It is not because I won't do God will. It is just because I don't always know what it is.
But, to be a Jehovah's Witness (a proper one
) you have to first put your trust in the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses which, I believe, is strictly ruled against per order of Jehovah. There have even been Bible stories written about people who were in places of relative trust and please look at the outcome of such loyalty to trust. I think there have been no Watchtower articles about the trust that a JWs is supposed to be putting in their governing body should certainly be relative.I would like one, please, @djhwoodwerks, if you have seen one like that.
There is one thing I wouldn't do for Jehovah God, actually more than one, but God knows I won't be searching through publications of the Jehovah's Witness ever. I think that even if I was in solitary confinement and the only things I had to read were those, I probably wouldn't. And I probably wouldn't get scissors, paper, and glue for making collages out of them.
djhwoodwerks
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I have to disagree with that.
Titus 1:16 (ESV Strong's) 16 They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.
That verse is in no way a witness! I believe witnesses profess to know God by their works. Witnesses, for the most part, are a good hearted, loving people, they are just being deceived. I believe the following verse to be more accurate,
Romans 10:2 (ESV Strong's) 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
djhwoodwerks
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I do agree with this tho, the Bible says,
Acts 4:12 (ESV Strong's) 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
There's no salvation in any organization, no church, no religion, no person, only Jesus. Not Baptist, not Pentecost, not Jehovah's witnesses, not Islam, not Mormons, Jesus and Jesus alone.
But the slave says this,
*** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy.
The Bible says there is no salvation apart from Jesus, there is no other name to be saved by but Jesus, but the 'slave' says it's by Jehovah's organization that salvation is acquired.
djhwoodwerks
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*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par. 3 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
3 Jesus has appointed the faithful and discreet slave “over his domestics,” that is, the individual members of the slave class, “to give them their food at the proper time.” He has also appointed the slave “over all his belongings.” (Matt. 24:45-47) These “belongings” include the growing “great crowd” of “other sheep.” (Rev. 7:9; John 10:16) Should not individual members of the anointed and the “other sheep” trust the slave appointed over them? There are many reasons why the slave class deserves our trust. Two outstanding reasons are: (1) Jehovah trusts the slave class. (2) Jesus also trusts the slave. Let us examine the evidence that both Jehovah God and Jesus Christ have complete confidence in the faithful and discreet slave.
Notice in this quote they have a false teaching and say that Jehovah and Jesus have COMPLETE confidence in them and that there are MANY reasons why the 'slave' deserves their trust!
Unless of course to know God means to know what God is saying.
To turn any words of God into something else is detestable. Titus 1:16
Matthew 12:37
Matthew 12:37
djhwoodwerks
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I totally agree, but, it is not the individual witness that has, "turned God's word into something else", it is the men who are their teachers, they have changed it.
OK. I agree that most Jehovah's Witnesses want to be for righteousness and in most cases they are, imo.
But might this apply to every person who is supporting the organization? 2 Timothy 3:13
And this? And Jehovah saith unto Samuel, 'Hearken to the voice of the people, to all that they say unto thee, for thee they have not rejected, but Me they have rejected, from reigning over them.
No one of any governing body would be anything without the people who are obeying them.
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! Revelation 3:15
If God is real and true (I believe it!) then nobody has to be wrong for long.
That they choose to be wrong and they teach wrongness to their children makes them evildoers.
2 Timothy 3:13
That they choose to be wrong and they teach wrongness to their children makes them evildoers.
2 Timothy 3:13
djhwoodwerks
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They're not "choosing" to be wrong, they actually believe that have the truth, they are being deceived.
2 Timothy 4:3 (ESV Strong's) 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
I understand what you are saying, but because they know what is written and they CAN know that they are wrong then it is my opinion that they are choosing to be wrong. Most of them are not stupid. Some of them are the among smartest people I know!
Obviously, they are not consciously choosing to be wrong. I don't think I have ever heard of such a thing as a person who chooses to be wrong. Even those who do bad things can think of a reason why they should do it.