Heaven Hell And Death

[mickey1956]

The wages of sin is death but the gift from God is eternal life. Romans 6:23. I believed for a long time on the theory of hell but through prayer and reading of the scriptures I believe God has revealed to me the truth. If we accept Jesus as personal Lord and saviour then we are promised eternal life but we reject him our body and soul will die.

 

[kjw47]

The wages of sin is death but the gift from God is eternal life. Romans 6:23. I believed for a long time on the theory of hell but through prayer and reading of the scriptures I believe God has revealed to me the truth. If we accept Jesus as personal Lord and saviour then we are promised eternal life but we reject him our body and soul will die.

These accepted Jesus, believe in Jesus, and will be calling on his name--but these will not get eternal life-Matt 7:21-23

 

[Muffled]

The wages of sin is death but the gift from God is eternal life. Romans 6:23. I believed for a long time on the theory of hell but through prayer and reading of the scriptures I believe God has revealed to me the truth. If we accept Jesus as personal Lord and saviour then we are promised eternal life but we reject him our body and soul will die.

I wouldn't normally take exception to this but I believe by soul you mean spirit and there is no biblical evidence that the spirit expires.

 

[Muffled]

These accepted Jesus, believe in Jesus, and will be calling on his name--but these will not get eternal life-Matt 7:21-23

Anyone who really has Jesus as Lord would never come into that condemnation. It is those who say they do and then act in the obverse.

 

[kjw47]

Anyone who really has Jesus as Lord would never come into that condemnation. It is those who say they do and then act in the obverse.

I agree with you-- too many are just giving lip service to Jesus--they cant be bothered to learn Jesus' truths and apply Jesus' truths. I believe 99% of all religions claiming to be Christian do not teach Jesus' truths. Instead they tickle peoples ears with the lies--you are saved or born again. Not one single mortal on this earth knows if another will be saved.

 

[Muffled]

I agree with you-- too many are just giving lip service to Jesus--they cant be bothered to learn Jesus' truths and apply Jesus' truths. I believe 99% of all religions claiming to be Christian do not teach Jesus' truths. Instead they tickle peoples ears with the lies--you are saved or born again. Not one single mortal on this earth knows if another will be saved.

I realized something yesterday, I believe I don't need the Bible because I have the author. That also pre-empts any chance that I will misunderstand the Bible as some do.

A person with the Holy Spirit will know because God knows everything provided that the HS wishes to reveal it.

 

[Katzpur]

I wouldn't normally take exception to this but I believe by soul you mean spirit and there is no biblical evidence that the spirit expires.

Well, what do you know... Muffled and Katzpur have found something they can agree upon.

 

[sincerly]

The wages of sin is death but the gift from God is eternal life. Romans 6:23. I believed for a long time on the theory of hell but through prayer and reading of the scriptures I believe God has revealed to me the truth. If we accept Jesus as personal Lord and saviour then we are promised eternal life but we reject him our body and soul will die.

Hi Mickey, Welcome to the forums.
Yes, Romans 6:23 is true. As one unfolds Paul's epistle, it is seen that SIN is the issue and what one has to do to be reconciled to GOD is answered.
Death is the end results of disobedience.
One doesn't "accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Saviour" by "if's"---but by submission to the Will of the Father---And that after acknowledging one's "Sins" and repenting of them.

True, Rejection of GOD'S Promised Plan of Salvation, as seen in the Scriptures(Bible), will only result in eternal death.(Mal.4:3; Gen.3:19)
One has to remember that Adam and Eve were created to live eternally(voided by the """in the day ye eat of it"".
That is the restoration/recreation which is GOD'S Gift for the Repenting and returning in submission to GOD in Faith/Obedience.

 

[sincerly]

I wouldn't normally take exception to this but I believe by soul you mean spirit and there is no biblical evidence that the spirit expires.

The Holy Spirit will not die. However, notice this verse in Ezek.18:4, "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. "
The Hebrew word(nephesh) translated to the English word "soul" is the word seen in Gen.2:7 and translated "soul"( in the NIV it is 'living being".)
This word is translated

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 753
AV — soul 475, life 117, person 29, mind 15, heart 15, creature 9, body 8, himself 8, yourselves 6, dead 5, will 4, desire 4, man 3, themselves 3, any 3, appetite 2, misc 47
Therefore, when one looks at those verses one does not see anything within a living thing" that has life of itself apart from the said "living thing"---whether "living" in the water, creatures of the air , or land animals---all have "life"/sustained by oxygen(breath).

 

[sincerly]

I realized something yesterday, I believe I don't need the Bible because I have the author. That also pre-empts any chance that I will misunderstand the Bible as some do.

A person with the Holy Spirit will know because God knows everything provided that the HS wishes to reveal it.

Hi Muffled, And where did you get your understanding of the "author"?

1John 4:1-3, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

Can you not see that the "Bible" will be indispensable until the coming of Jesus??
The Holy Spirit "brings to mind" that which one has obtained. Remember, the five foolish virgins were told to go purchase(needs to be done prior).

 

[outhouse]

Our body will die anyway.

A soul has yet to be proven with any credibility to exist.

 

[sincerly]

Our body will die anyway.

A soul has yet to be proven with any credibility to exist.

Hi outhouse, Yes, Just as GOD said it would in Gen.3:19, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. "

As shown in a previous post, GOD created (molded) mankind out of the dust of the ground and breathed into its nostrils the breathe of life and it became a living "soul"/Being/ Person.

 

[kjw47]

I realized something yesterday, I believe I don't need the Bible because I have the author. That also pre-empts any chance that I will misunderstand the Bible as some do.

A person with the Holy Spirit will know because God knows everything provided that the HS wishes to reveal it.

That's exactly the reasoning behind 33,000 different trinity religions--all say they have the HS teaching them--are there 33,000 different HS,s with 33,000 diffetrent truths--No. 1 cor 1:10)
The teachings of Gods son are in the pages of the bible--you say you don't need it? God commanded---This is my son the beloved whom I have approved--Listen to him--- How can one listen to Jesus without learning his truths so they can apply those truths?

 

[sincerly]

That's exactly the reasoning behind 33,000 different trinity religions--all say they have the HS teaching them--are there 33,000 different HS,s with 33,000 diffetrent truths--No. 1 cor 1:10)
The teachings of Gods son are in the pages of the bible--you say you don't need it? God commanded---This is my son the beloved whom I have approved--Listen to him--- How can one listen to Jesus without learning his truths so they can apply those truths?

It is, also, the reason why there are many who are following false teachers and the call seen in Rev. 18:4 was given. "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

 

[kjw47]

It is, also, the reason why there are many who are following false teachers and the call seen in Rev. 18:4 was given. "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

I agree-- 99% claiming to be Christian religions are not in reality--this is there reality-2 cor 11:12-15) They do not teach Jesus' truths---- learn Jesus' truths, apply Jesus' truths--then one can see clearly who teaches Jesus' truths.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
It is, also, the reason why there are many who are following false teachers and the call seen in Rev. 18:4 was given. "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

I agree-- 99% claiming to be Christian religions are not in reality--this is there reality-2 cor 11:12-15) They do not teach Jesus' truths---- learn Jesus' truths, apply Jesus' truths--then one can see clearly who teaches Jesus' truths.

Hi kjw47, Here are the two sources for your answers to the last two posts.
1Cor.1:10, "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."
and
2Cor.11:12-15,"But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. "

In Corinth, there were those who professed to be believers and were ready to teach what people wanted to hear rather than the Truths of GOD's sound doctrines.
Isn't that straight out of Eden---and the serpent?
Isn't that the message Paul relayed in 2Tim.4:3-4?, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. "

The true searcher of the Scriptures will find GOD and the Truths HE has given. It just takes "trying the spirits"(1John4:1) against the "Thus saith the Lord God".
Today, there are those who have hidden behind the "Yes, Jesus did come in the flesh"---but---".

 

[Katzpur]

...learn Jesus' truths, apply Jesus' truths--then one can see clearly who teaches Jesus' truths.

If only it were that easy. Don't you think that most people who claim to be Christian genuinely believe that they do know and apply the truth that Jesus taught?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by kjw47
...learn Jesus' truths, apply Jesus' truths--then one can see clearly who teaches Jesus' truths.

If only it were that easy. Don't you think that most people who claim to be Christian genuinely believe that they do know and apply the truth that Jesus taught?

Hi Katzpur, again, a lesson from the garden of Eden. Deception is the very key to the Adversary's success.
"Belief" no matter how "genuinely believed" that is NOT of GOD'S teaching is false.
Eve understood what GOD had said about the Tree's fruit, but accepted as truth the lies(ideas contrary to GOD'S teachings) which were told by the serpent.
Fast forward about 1500 years, Adam had lived some years with both Noah's grandfather and father(two witnesses) to all the truths that GOD had given to/for mankind to live by in a relationship to HIMSELF and mankind.
Noah preached for 120 years Repentance and "get aboard". All the world's population not only had the same opportunity to learn from their "forefathers", but were reminded of the the truths of the Creator GOD-----HOW many applied the truth instead of their assumed/logical "understanding"?

Yes, the world's population is as the Scriptures have pointed out---"Belief" is a personal matter---that "narrow gate" only allows one through it at the time and that is by one's individual choice.
As 2Pet.1:10 states, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"

 

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by kjw47
...learn Jesus' truths, apply Jesus' truths--then one can see clearly who teaches Jesus' truths.



Hi Katzpur, again, a lesson from the garden of Eden. Deception is the very key to the Adversary's success.
"Belief" no matter how "genuinely believed" that is NOT of GOD'S teaching is false.

That's absolutely correct, but the fact remains that distinguishing truth from falsehood is not always as easy as you seem to be claiming. If it were, all of those people who genuinely want to know the truth would see things the same way.

 

[sincerly]

That's absolutely correct, but the fact remains that distinguishing truth from falsehood is not always as easy as you seem to be claiming. If it were, all of those people who genuinely want to know the truth would see things the same way.

Hi Katzpur, In the scriptures, those inspired holy men wrote only those messages which GOD asked them to give to the people.
When a person reads those things---GOD's messages will be truly revealed to the TRUTH seeker. GOD didn't lie when HE said, "Seek and find"; "Knock and it shall be opened".

To many are as the five foolish virgins---satisfied with inadequate information---only half prepared. They started the cleansing of the "little sins which so easily beset", but failed to complete the job(for whatever reason).
OR they are accepting the wrong source---for that information.

They do and they will .