Hell-Believers

[Sha'irullah]

I don't see anything sadistic about believing in Hell. I believe that is a belief in justice. God is perfectly just and Hell is perfectly just. Also, a person who goes to Hell for lying is going to suffer less of a punishment in Hell than someone who goes to Hell for committing genocide. Nobody in Hell suffers the exact same thing as someone else in Hell. That is just my personal opinion of course. However, I do believe it is Catholic doctrine that the suffering one suffers in Hell is proportionate to the sins one committed on earth which one died unrepentant of.

No no no. We are talking about the hell in which one enters it for eternity for not believing in the correct god.
This concept that hell is for the wicked is somewhat new for me despite me being raised a Christian.

There is nothing just about a God who casts people into an eternity of torment for not accepting his unproven religion.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Just as other factors of the Abrahamic faiths are totally irrelevant to followers of dharmic faiths, so should hell be. If you believe hell doesn't exist , why even bother to discuss it? Just be calm in the knowledge of it's non-existence, and let the people who believe in do the worrying.

Letting others worry about it is quite sadistic . Although I do receive amusement by those running around trying to "save the souls" of others. Patheticism never ceases to amaze me.

 

[ignition]

It appears to me that those who believe in hell are prone to the most harsh of actions.of hell for non-believers are the most malicious in their views towards others.

There's the causal link between belief in Hell and violence you made, it's not surprising you will try and go to any length to dissociate yourself from your own erroneous allegations. :yes:

 

[Sha'irullah]

There's the causal link between belief in Hell and violence you made, it's not surprising you will try and go to any length to dissociate yourself from your own erroneous allegations. :yes:

Yes the reference is towards Christians and Muslims but it does not change the topic. You essentially just read the first sentence am I right? If you take note of the second you may be surprised.

 

[ignition]

Yes the reference is towards Christians and Muslims but it does not change the topic. You essentially just read the first sentence am I right? If you take note of the second you may be surprised.

Yes, that sentence is the problem. You cannot make an unsubstantiated claim and then continue e.g 1+1=4 3+2=5 Just because the second summation is correct, doesn't justify the first incorrect summation. Now, are you going to retract it or double-down on that ignorant remark.

 

[anca]

Hell is not a place where non-repentant sinners burn forever in a fire as the one we experience here on earth, it's just a place or a state where they cannot be with God and the loved ones that are in "Heaven" (i.e. with God), therefore whithout light, love and peace because they chose to turn their back to God who is infinite love, light and joy. Burning is a metaphor for their huge sadness and incapacity to change what they chose

 

[Sha'irullah]

Yes, that sentence is the problem. You cannot make an unsubstantiated claim and then continue e.g 1+1=4 3+2=5 Just because the second summation is correct, doesn't justify the first incorrect summation. Now, are you going to retract it or double-down on that ignorant remark.

The remark was not ignorant nor am I going to retract it :biglaugh: and trying to insult me based on the account of your inability to read a paragraph will not change things.

Are you this stuck up you only wish to be right about something and obtain this by putting words into people's mouth? Stop being a liar and start making a worthwhile debate. Troll some place else if you cannot do so

 

[ignition]

The remark was not ignorant nor am I going to retract it :biglaugh: and trying to insult me based on the account of your inability to read a paragraph will not change things.

Are you this stuck up you only wish to be right about something and obtain this by putting words into people's mouth? Stop being a liar and start making a worthwhile debate. Troll some place else if you cannot do so

The only troll is the person who said that a causation exists between belief in hellfire and malicious actions i.e. you :yes: No need to start crying, either prove what you are saying or admit that you are wrong

 

[Sha'irullah]

The only troll is the person who said that a causation exists between belief in hellfire and malicious actions i.e. you :yes: No need to start crying, either prove what you are saying or admit that you are wrong

I never said such a thing, you did. I said harsh actions and I never implied violence. Bickering and rejection of others is what I meant.

You are the one making a new meaning from a single sentence. I will gladly see how this plays out though because there is no way you an get confused from that sentence

 

[ignition]

I never said such a thing, you did. I said harsh actions and I never implied violence. Bickering and rejection of others is what I meant.

You are the one making a new meaning from a single sentence. I will gladly see how this plays out though because there is no way you an get confused from that sentence

"Those who believe in hell are prone to the most harsh actions". That's the unsubstantiated claim you made, it's time to take responsibility for your own words.

 

[Me Myself]

Any concept of eternal damnation is sadistic.

 

[Sha'irullah]

"Those who believe in hell are prone to the most harsh actions". That's the unsubstantiated claim you made, it's time to take responsibility for your own words.

I am going to continue responding for giggles. Please read the rest of the post to acquire further definition and not read one sentence. Because using the term "harsh actions" is exceedingly vague unless clarified. I have not made the mistake.
But if you like games I am willing to play

 

[Sha'irullah]

Any concept of eternal damnation is sadistic.

Being stuck in a Republican rally sure does qualify.
But have you not ever thought about psychopaths and murderers being eternally tortured? The thought entertains me but that is only my inner sadist speaking.

Do you believe in an afterlife as well?

 

[Cordoba]

It appears to me that those who believe in hell are prone to the most harsh of actions. Looking at Christians in the past and Muslims in the present it seems obvious to me that religious adherents who accept the literal existence of hell for non-believers are the most malicious in their views towards others.
Despite the warm smiles they give and enthusiastic handshakes they believe that non believers go to hell. You never see them have sorrow or regret about this. They just accept it like a known fact.
Such theological concepts appear to create desensitization of torture, agony and death. The primary 2 religions who have spent centuries pillaging and plundering are Christianity and Islam. Now it is not the religion itself but just 1 minor aspect of it which is taught to the general population of adherents and that is hell. With hell neither religion would require conversion as there would be no need for it and neither would have the necessity to kill in order to establish religious rulership of any kind.
Hell does not prevent evil from being done by offering a concept of divine retribution. The most evil acts done have been those that believe in hell.

The very concept of hell is used as a control mechanism and brings forth barbarism from people only to hath it spread. This of course can be validated through all of history and crawl itself up the ladder of occurrences to the present.
I have also been informed of many Catholics removal of a fiery inferno from their doctrine which brings great joy to me oddly. Ahmadis do not even believe in a eternal hell and only view it as a truly just place for the wicked to enter and be purged of sins.
Sadly these things are trying to be stamped out from fundamentalists as to replace the choking grip of fear they use as a form to maintain followers with a chain of ignorant tranquility by avoiding the very espousings of their books. This also leads me to believe the belief in hell creates ignorance as Abrahamic faiths are decreasing in populatory girth.

As recent Gallup polls have suggested American adherence to be around 78% and can vary from 75% and having dealt with the others first hand I can validate this with a testimony of profound candour and veracity​

" ... the threat of hell serves as a great deterrent of evil as well as an incentive for good, as religion teaches..."

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Best regards

 

[nash8]

I agree with you that awful atrocicities have been committed in the name of Judeo-Christian religions that have the concept of hell, but as someone pointed out to me in another post on this forum. One of the most greivous atrocities ever committed in human history was orchestrated by an athiest that had no concept of hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Religionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Religion

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

But have you not ever thought about psychopaths and murderers being eternally tortured? The thought entertains me but that is only my inner sadist speaking.

But what about Whitey Bulger? That's a murderer I can have a beer with... Give him a get-out-of-hell-free card and then we can talk about it...

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I agree with you that awful atrocicities have been committed in the name of Judeo-Christian religions that have the concept of hell, but as someone pointed out to me in another post on this forum. One of the most greivous atrocities ever committed in human history was orchestrated by an athiest that had no concept of hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Religionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Religion

Not to justify what Stalin did, but at least he didn't do it because he thought an invisible space-man was on his side.

 

[nash8]

Not to justify what Stalin did, but at least he didn't do it because he thought an invisible space-man was on his side.

I know you have no formal concept of morality, but according to your personal principles, does the idea of having an invisible spaceman on your side make mass murder any worse?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I know you have no formal concept of morality, but according to your personal principles, does the idea of having an invisible spaceman on your side make mass murder any worse?

No; it doesn't make it worse, you just sound like less of a crazy person when you don't think you're pleasing the space-man. I don't think Stalin is superior to a religious mass murderer; just more sane.

 

[Sha'irullah]

But what about Whitey Bulger? That's a murderer I can have a beer with... Give him a get-out-of-hell-free card and then we can talk about it...

Meh don't worry about them. Any good crook can escape from hell just like any other prison.