Hell is not discipline; it is torture

[lilithu]

On the contrary, one's will in heaven is quite free: free of evil.

Free will means the freedom to choose.

So you want to be evil? Or at least, you want evil to always be available for you to choose? Why?

Because without that choice there is no agency, no meaning. It means something when I am tempted to be selfish but instead choose to be generous. It means something when I am tempted to be spiteful but instead choose to be forgiving. Without the choice "good" has no meaning.

Any deviation from perfection is imperfection, no matter how small. It's not pettiness, it's insistence on holiness. If the infinite Creator of the universe says not to steal, and you do, yes you've committed an infinite affront against Him, as He created you and allows you every breath you take, and has offered you infinite bliss if you follow Him.

Whatever dude. You wanna debate, fine. But don't preach at me, puhleez. :ignore:

 

[Ozzie]

Good post.

Then what is the purpose of punishment without discipline?

Thats the sort of question that sends people who might have become Christian humming off exploring religious alternatives.