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Hell would not teach us anything

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quadman19

FRY THAT CHICKEN
i thought i'd make my first post today! been browsing these forums for a little while and love it! but here goes-

The idea of an eternal torture chamber for a finite life would not teach us a single thing. All it would prove is that an "all loving", "all merciful" and "all forgiving" god is definitely not living in the upstairs paradise.Why should anyone be tortured forever for something so minuscule such as lack of belief or wrong belief system. There is no justification for it whatsoever other than it's a tool for keeping people in a certain belief system and acting "moral" out of fear and in hopes of reward. I can not fathom how people try to justify it. There would be more good people in hell than good people in heaven anyway (minus the murderers,rapists,etc). And on the opposite side, If a girl was raped and got into heaven but her rapist accepted jesus or whatever it took to get into heaven, wouldn't that be hell for her and heaven for him? And i know people are gonna say well heaven is perfect and whatever else but sorry the irrationality of it all is just ridiculous. I don't mean to offend anyone that holds beliefs on an afterlife, i'm just stating my opinion. :faint:
 
nightwolf

nightwolf

Member
quadman19 said:
i thought i'd make my first post today! been browsing these forums for a little while and love it! but here goes-

The idea of an eternal torture chamber for a finite life would not teach us a single thing. All it would prove is that an "all loving", "all merciful" and "all forgiving" god is definitely not living in the upstairs paradise.Why should anyone be tortured forever for something so minuscule such as lack of belief or wrong belief system. There is no justification for it whatsoever other than it's a tool for keeping people in a certain belief system and acting "moral" out of fear and in hopes of reward. I can not fathom how people try to justify it. There would be more good people in hell than good people in heaven anyway (minus the murderers,rapists,etc). And on the opposite side, If a girl was raped and got into heaven but her rapist accepted jesus or whatever it took to get into heaven, wouldn't that be hell for her and heaven for him? And i know people are gonna say well heaven is perfect and whatever else but sorry the irrationality of it all is just ridiculous. I don't mean to offend anyone that holds beliefs on an afterlife, i'm just stating my opinion. :faint:
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I believe the same you do!

Welcome to the forums :D.

I think hell is nothing more then a scare tactic to "force" those who believe to do good.

I would like to add as I think it fits here. I think the whole "Satan" thing is just untrue! I think it is ground into our humanity to blame others for our very own faults. It is so easy to point the finger and say "I cheated on my wife because the other women seduced me" rather then "I cheated on my wife because I was longing to have another women".

People go to church and ask for forgiveness from the things the devil made them do! I cannot believe in that! I am responsible for this ship and anything I do is my responsibility!

If we lived in an accountable world I think we would have a much better world but it is so sad when religion can teach us we are not accountable, then we question the problems in our world. SAD!!!
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Yes, but it's fun to be self-righteous and let other people know they're going to get what's coming to them for not ascribing to your beliefs. Pettiness is great entertainment for small-minded people.
 
Oneatatime

Oneatatime

Huh?
Morality (However you choose to define this) through coersion is no morality at all. Christianity however does not rely entirely on coersion to encourage it's adherents to conduct themselves morally and some sects don't really use it at all.
 
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quadman19

FRY THAT CHICKEN
Thanks for the warm welcome!

I agree with you that the satan idea is just an easy scapegoat and a way to keep people in the flock. If people were more self responsible and caring without the need for rewards it would serve humanity as a whole instead of someone asking "whats in it for me"? Compassion would seem to be second nature.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
quadman19 said:
i thought i'd make my first post today! been browsing these forums for a little while and love it! but here goes-

The idea of an eternal torture chamber for a finite life would not teach us a single thing. All it would prove is that an "all loving", "all merciful" and "all forgiving" god is definitely not living in the upstairs paradise.Why should anyone be tortured forever for something so minuscule such as lack of belief or wrong belief system. There is no justification for it whatsoever other than it's a tool for keeping people in a certain belief system and acting "moral" out of fear and in hopes of reward. I can not fathom how people try to justify it. There would be more good people in hell than good people in heaven anyway (minus the murderers,rapists,etc). And on the opposite side, If a girl was raped and got into heaven but her rapist accepted jesus or whatever it took to get into heaven, wouldn't that be hell for her and heaven for him? And i know people are gonna say well heaven is perfect and whatever else but sorry the irrationality of it all is just ridiculous. I don't mean to offend anyone that holds beliefs on an afterlife, i'm just stating my opinion. :faint:
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Of course hell teaches us something. It goes something like this, "Woulda, shoulda, coulda OUCH! Woulda, shoulda, coulda HELP!! Woulda, shoulda, coulda ARRRRGGGGHHH!".....ad infinitum.

Sorry, just having a little bit of fun. Welcome to RF. :D
 
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quadman19

FRY THAT CHICKEN
MysticSang'ha said:
Of course hell teaches us something. It goes something like this, "Woulda, shoulda, coulda OUCH! Woulda, shoulda, coulda HELP!! Woulda, shoulda, coulda ARRRRGGGGHHH!".....ad infinitum.

Sorry, just having a little bit of fun. Welcome to RF. :D
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hahaha I agree. It would be like beating yourself up for burning the Thanksgiving turkey everyday for the rest of your life!
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
quadman19 said:
i thought i'd make my first post today! been browsing these forums for a little while and love it! but here goes-

The idea of an eternal torture chamber for a finite life would not teach us a single thing... And i know people are gonna say well heaven is perfect and whatever else but sorry the irrationality of it all is just ridiculous.
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Welcome to the forums. :flower2: I see "hell" as an image of mental torment.

If nothing else, at least you've obviously added to your learning of "irrationality" by it.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Welcome quadman19,

I agree, and see a parallel to this in how creationist approach their nemesis, evolution.

● If our testimony won't convince people to accept Jesus, then scare them into it with hell

● If we have no evidence for creationism, then attack evolution.​
 
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quadman19

FRY THAT CHICKEN
Skwim said:
Welcome quadman19,

I agree, and see a parallel to this in how creationist approach their nemesis, evolution.
● If our testimony won't convince people to accept Jesus, then scare them into it with hell

● If we have no evidence for creationism, then attack evolution.​
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Your absolutely right with those points as it also applies to the big bang theory. As we fill the gaps where god(s) was/were, they just point to it that there is still a gap. I just wish people could be humble and say we don't know everything. It takes time to learn about reality and we shouldn't rely on pre-scientific era beliefs about the universe and everything.
 
M

Man of Faith

Well-Known Member
I don't think that hell is necessarily there to teach people things, but to punish them. Is jail to teach or to punish? We might learn something from going to jail but it is for punishment or should be IMO. And I think we would also learn something from going to hell, albeit a little late.
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Man of Faith said:
I don't think that hell is necessarily there to teach people things, but to punish them. Is jail to teach or to punish? We might learn something from going to jail but it is for punishment or should be IMO. And I think we would also learn something from going to hell, albeit a little late.
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Let us know when you're there.
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
quadman19 said:
Your absolutely right with those points as it also applies to the big bang theory. As we fill the gaps where god(s) was/were, they just point to it that there is still a gap. I just wish people could be humble and say we don't know everything. It takes time to learn about reality and we shouldn't rely on pre-scientific era beliefs about the universe and everything.
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Neither should we refute it, until we can Prove that a spontaneous creation of a planet such as ours can occurr naturally - without any impetus from any outside force, followed by the "random" creation of life.

Until someone can show me the one monkey in the infinite number of them who has turned out the entire works of Shakespeare, I'll go on believe in what I do.
 
idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
quadman19 said:
i thought i'd make my first post today! been browsing these forums for a little while and love it! but here goes-

The idea of an eternal torture chamber for a finite life would not teach us a single thing. All it would prove is that an "all loving", "all merciful" and "all forgiving" god is definitely not living in the upstairs paradise.Why should anyone be tortured forever for something so minuscule such as lack of belief or wrong belief system. There is no justification for it whatsoever other than it's a tool for keeping people in a certain belief system and acting "moral" out of fear and in hopes of reward. I can not fathom how people try to justify it. There would be more good people in hell than good people in heaven anyway (minus the murderers,rapists,etc). And on the opposite side, If a girl was raped and got into heaven but her rapist accepted jesus or whatever it took to get into heaven, wouldn't that be hell for her and heaven for him? And i know people are gonna say well heaven is perfect and whatever else but sorry the irrationality of it all is just ridiculous. I don't mean to offend anyone that holds beliefs on an afterlife, i'm just stating my opinion. :faint:
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An eternal punishment is just revenge so I agree that it wouldn't teach anything except that god is big on vengeance.
 
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