Hell

[URAVIP2ME]

are Hell and suffering eternal?

That depends on which hell (?) you are talking about:
The Bible's temporary hell ( grave ), or the religious-myth hell of forever burning just being taught as Scripture.
To me, the churches of Christendom often wrongly teach a non-biblical permanent hell as being Scripture.
The Bible's hell is neither temporary suffering nor eternal suffering, but temporary sleep for the dead - Daniel 12:2,13
Sleep until Resurrection Day ( Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth )
That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....
Then, the dead will be awakened from death's deep sleep.
Just as we are Not aware of the passing of time while asleep the dead know nothing according to Ecclesiastes 9:5
Know nothing but unconscious sleep as Jesus taught from the old Hebrew Scriptures at John 11:11-14
The dead sleep according to Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4

Does anyone righteous go to hell ______
The day righteous Jesus' died, the dead Jesus went to biblical hell according to Acts of the Apostles 2:27
If the Bible's hell was a permanent place, then Jesus would still be in hell.
Rather, dead Jesus just spent parts of 3 days in the grave in a sleep-like state ( R.I.P. Rest in Sleep ) before God resurrected the dead Jesus out of biblical hell ( the grave ) - Acts of the Apostles 3:15

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And when the fuel is gone the fire goes out. The fires of hell will only burn until all the fuel is gone. The fires ( and suffering ) will not last forever.

Literal fire or symbolic fire.
The word Gehenna was translated into KJV English as the English words hell or hellfire.
Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever, Not burning forever.
If you throw something into a fireplace you know it will Not burn forever, but will be destroyed.
That is why Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed forever. It does Not say burn forever.
We all have two (2) choices presented to us. Neither of which is fire as fuel.
We either ' repent ' or we will ' perish ' ( perish means: destroyed ) - 2 Peter 3:9

 

[Fool]

Logically based.

so you see hell as a place of respite? like a sanitarium/sanitorium?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

no, when you throw something into the fire, it's form is destroyed but it's energy becomes part, or fuel, of the fire.

'Form' is destroyed to the point that its form turns into non-burning ashes.
That is why ashes need to be swept out. There is No energy in the ashes to fuel or re-fuel the fire.
Dead Adam to me simply ' returned ' to the dust of the earth according to Genesis 3:19
Adam went from non-life, to life, and ' returned ' back to non-life. ( Non-existence )

 

[Fool]

That depends on which hell (?) you are talking about:
The Bible's temporary hell ( grave ), or the religious-myth hell of forever burning just being taught as Scripture.
To me, the churches of Christendom often wrongly teach a non-biblical permanent hell as being Scripture.
The Bible's hell is neither temporary suffering nor eternal suffering, but temporary sleep for the dead - Daniel 12:2,13
Sleep until Resurrection Day ( Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth )
That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....
Then, the dead will be awakened from death's deep sleep.
Just as we are Not aware of the passing of time while asleep the dead know nothing according to Ecclesiastes 9:5
Know nothing but unconscious sleep as Jesus taught from the old Hebrew Scriptures at John 11:11-14
The dead sleep according to Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4

Does anyone righteous go to hell ______
The day righteous Jesus' died, the dead Jesus went to biblical hell according to Acts of the Apostles 2:27
If the Bible's hell was a permanent place, then Jesus would still be in hell.
Rather, dead Jesus just spent parts of 3 days in the grave in a sleep-like state ( R.I.P. Rest in Sleep ) before God resurrected the dead Jesus out of biblical hell ( the grave ) - Acts of the Apostles 3:15

revelation states that he is making all things new, a new heaven and a new earth; so it wold lead one to believe that the re-genesis doesn't allow for a hell.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

so you see hell as a place of respite? like a sanitarium/sanitorium?

Yes, ' biblical hell ' in a sense is a place of respite if you consider a respite as a long dream-less sleep.
Unless one is adversely judged as being wicked who will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Hebrews 6:4-6.
The 'many' of mankind will have a resurrection thanks to Jesus' ransom paid for us - Matthew 20:28
Some do have a first or earlier resurrection to govern in the heavens with Christ - Revelation 20:6; 5:9-10
But the majority of mankind will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on a paradisical Earth during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

revelation states that he is making all things new, a new heaven and a new earth; so it wold lead one to believe that the re-genesis doesn't allow for a hell.

I like how you say re-genesis, and yes No more biblical hell (grave) because Jesus has the keys to unlock the Bible's temporary hell or grave for the sleeping dead - Revelation 1:18
Once biblical hell is emptied out, then vacated hell is cast into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacant hell.
- Revelation 20:13-14

 

[Fool]

Yes, ' biblical hell ' in a sense is a place of respite if you consider a respite as a long dream-less sleep.
Unless one is adversely judged as being wicked who will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Hebrews 6:4-6.
The 'many' of mankind will have a resurrection thanks to Jesus' ransom paid for us - Matthew 20:28
Some do have a first or earlier resurrection to govern in the heavens with Christ - Revelation 20:6; 5:9-10
But the majority of mankind will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on a paradisical Earth during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.

i have actually read that that is the case from a source. that somehow the spirit, consciousness is placed in a state of stupor/sleep to allow the confusion, or disease, to alleviate. once it's reach a level of calm it's revivified.

 

[Fool]

I like how you say re-genesis, and yes No more biblical hell (grave) because Jesus has the keys to unlock the Bible's temporary hell or grave for the sleeping dead - Revelation 1:18
Once biblical hell is emptied out, then vacated hell is cast into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacant hell.
- Revelation 20:13-14

thank you for the insight, or vision.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

depends on the crowd you get stuck with
I believe we end up alongside others who think and feel as we do.....
How else to be happy?
How else to be fair?

Seems to me, as if the ' crowd we get stuck with ' are the ' great crowd ' of Revelation 7:9,14.
They are, so to speak, the new world foundation, the figurative ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37
So, we will 'get stuck' with the humble meek who will inherit the Earth as Jesus promised at Matthew 5:5
Inherit Earth forever once the wicked are gone - Psalms 37:10-11; Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22

 

[Fool]

I like how you say re-genesis, and yes No more biblical hell (grave) because Jesus has the keys to unlock the Bible's temporary hell or grave for the sleeping dead - Revelation 1:18
Once biblical hell is emptied out, then vacated hell is cast into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacant hell.
- Revelation 20:13-14

so again hell could be likened to a correctional institution that limits the Spirit's ability to act out chaos? basically a control system for unreasonable daemons? like a time out for immature spirits?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

i have actually read that that is the case from a source. that somehow the spirit, consciousness is placed in a state of stupor/sleep to allow the confusion, or disease, to alleviate. once it's reach a level of calm it's revivified.

In English the word spirit has more than one meaning:
We speak of angelic spirit creation ( both good and bad angels) as being spirits.
We also think of life's spirit ( energy )
For example: pep rallies are designed to create school spirit.
We also connect spirit or energy to a high-spirited horse.

So, at death our energy or life's spirit goes out like a burnt-out light bulb blows out.
If we are Not destroyed as the wicked will be destroyed - Psalms 92:7, then on our Resurrection Day one's life's spirit will be returned to him so that he might live forever ( everlasting life on a beautiful paradisical Earth forever )

 

[Fool]

In English the word spirit has more than one meaning:
We speak of angelic spirit creation ( both good and bad angels) as being spirits.
We also think of life's spirit ( energy )
For example: pep rallies are designed to create school spirit.
We also connect spirit or energy to a high-spirited horse.

So, at death our energy or life's spirit goes out like a burnt-out light bulb blows out.
If we are Not destroyed as the wicked will be destroyed - Psalms 92:7, then on our Resurrection Day one's life's spirit will be returned to him so that he might live forever ( everlasting life on a beautiful paradisical Earth forever )

but daniel says that some will awake to everlasting and other to everlasting shame; when the book is unsealed.

and daniel was sealed because people are like books. like the seal of the name on the 144,000


And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


revelation comes from within; wherein is the kingdom of Love

 

[URAVIP2ME]

so again hell could be likened to a correctional institution that limits the Spirit's ability to act out chaos? basically a control system for unreasonable daemons? like a time out for immature spirits?

I suppose on one's Resurrection Day would be a time for a mature spirit. Healthy of heart, mind, body and spirit.

I've heard of hell being described as being in a prison or trapped in a dungeon .
So, remember those dead in Adam are Not extinct, but just sleeping.
Adam bequeathed his legacy of leaving us an inheritance of death's sleeping condition.

Right now, I suppose we could say we are shackled in death's prison yard or precinct.
We only have partial liberty now while we wait for deliverance to come from Jesus.
We are still walking around that prison yard Not yet shut up in our prison cells aks tombs.
It is Not until resurrection morning, so to speak, that the dead will experience delivery from death's grip.
Then, the dead awakened from their slumber will come forth to favorable conditions on Earth - Isaiah 25:8
That is because sin and death will No longer reign on Earth, 1 Corinthians 15:26.
Just think there will be No death warrant out for us, No death watch, even our hopes will Not die.
For out of death's dungeon comes death's prisoner ( aka the jail bird ) us pardoned for our errors ( sins )
If we choose to obey Jesus' voice to get up and walk. Walk up, up, up out of the valley of the shadow of death
( we not talking about any death valley ) but up, up, up to the full and original perfectly healthy life meant for mankind from the edenic beginning. A paradise the Earth will be, and Now through faith even this one can see.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

but daniel says that some will awake to everlasting and other to everlasting shame; when the book is unsealed.
and daniel was sealed because people are like books. like the seal of the name on the 144,000
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
revelation comes from within; wherein is the kingdom of Love

That ' everlasting contempt ' is only for those who prove themselves as wicked ones fit for destruction - Psalms 92:7
Not quite sure what you mean about coming from within because Jesus taught what is within our imperfect hearts is Not the kingdom of love - please see Mark 7:21-23
To me, the kingdom of love comes by us applying Jesus' New commandment of John 13:34-35 to have self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus had.

 

[Fool]

That ' everlasting contempt ' is only for those who prove themselves as wicked ones fit for destruction - Psalms 92:7
Not quite sure what you mean about coming from within because Jesus taught what is within our imperfect hearts is Not the kingdom of love - please see Mark 7:21-23
To me, the kingdom of love comes by us applying Jesus' New commandment of John 13:34-35 to have self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus had.

love is not self-sacrificing. Love doesn't make a difference between self and other. God requires mercy, not sacrifice.

selflessness is the ability to have empathy for others vs selfisness; which lacks empathy

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Thank you URAVIP2ME. You seem to have a good understanding of this "hell" business. The idea of people being tortured forever in a burning fire is not in the Bible. This idea comes from Satan and was spread by Satan-influenced churches that claim to teach the Bible but actually do not.

 

[Thief]

Seems to me, as if the ' crowd we get stuck with ' are the ' great crowd ' of Revelation 7:9,14.
They are, so to speak, the new world foundation, the figurative ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37
So, we will 'get stuck' with the humble meek who will inherit the Earth as Jesus promised at Matthew 5:5
Inherit Earth forever once the wicked are gone - Psalms 37:10-11; Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22

flesh cannot inherit the kingdom
so it is written

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

are Hell and suffering eternal?

Let's approach this logically.

According to the self-proclaimed experts? For Free Will to work, it requires evil, and is often used as an excuse for why god refuses to interfere in the world's countless natural disasters.

Another of those same experts, assure us that god absolutely does not want mindless robots, incapable of free will.

Finally, we are told that in heaven, there cannot possibly be evil-- which is why hell had to be created.

So. Is heaven eternal? It cannot possibly be so-- even Jesus, who was by all accounts a Saint, lost his temper at a poor fig tree who didn't have fruit in the winter.

If even Jesus cannot keep it together? What hope have mere, mortal human beings?

So, given sufficient time? Everyone-- no exceptions-- will exercise their Free Will, and do something that gets them kicked out of heaven.... to hell.

And thus, Heaven will be 100% empty of any being with Free Will..... (with the possible exception of Jesus, who does not appear to need to comply with the actual rules)

If god *requires* beings with Free Will in heaven? Then, it stands logically, that there must be a mechanism in place, for folk to leave hell and return (or go) to heaven.

Thus, over infinite time? There will be a constant flow of souls from heaven to hell and back again.

Is Hell Eternal? Nope. Neither is Heaven.

Which is good--- because an infinity of anything would be .... hellish.... even heaven...!

 

[soulsurvivor]

are Hell and suffering eternal?

Hindus don't believe in eternal suffering or eternal Hell. For them hell is a temporary place you may have to visit between lives to pay for your misdeeds in the previous life.

However, Jesus says that hell and suffering maybe eternal for some people in Matthew 25:41 - 'Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."'.