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Helping the hepless is the American way

esmith

Veteran Member
That's because the USA will give them jobs, but not documents. If they could get the documents, or we stopped giving them jobs the problems would vanish. But we won't.

Tom

so, what jobs are available for these thousands of children entering the county illegally. Who is going to pay for their housing, food, medical, education and other requirements. Once the door is open it will be almost impossible to stop the flood of illegals.
Or maybe we could enforce the laws on the books now. Say like the Arizona law that the Chamber of Commerce and the Obama administration objected to but was ruled legal by the SCOUS.
Supreme Court upholds Arizona law punishing hiring of illegal immigrants | Politics | McClatchy DC
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
are they entering those countries legally or illegally? That is the crux of the present problem...... They are entering the US illegally!

It's becoming increasing frustrating trying to educate many of you on the right that the ones coming here from Central America are fleeing their country because their country has some of the worst violence from gangs and drug cartels. The stories that the gangs are killing people if children don't join the gangs and how there is a serious turf war with designated neutral zones, designed by the gangs no less, is telling of the hardship these people face. When our current immigration structure is complete CRAP.....what do you expect refugees fleeing violence and terror to do...."take a number"...The current structure isn't even working for the ones actually trying to get in or stay in the country legally let alone someone fleeing tyranny. No one has given these people and "kids" a blank check to stay here indefinitely. They will be processed, if racist/bigoted idiots would let them, and given a court date to determine if they meet the criteria for asylum. Most will not meet the criteria and will be returned to their country. They've already started the process of returning people. Let the 2008 law that Bush signed continue to work as it was intended.....
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
so, what jobs are available for these thousands of children entering the county illegally. Who is going to pay for their housing, food, medical, education and other requirements. Once the door is open it will be almost impossible to stop the flood of illegals.
Or maybe we could enforce the laws on the books now. Say like the Arizona law that the Chamber of Commerce and the Obama administration objected to but was ruled legal by the SCOUS.
Supreme Court upholds Arizona law punishing hiring of illegal immigrants | Politics | McClatchy DC

Don't you realize that you and I are fundamentally in agreement here?

The problem is that immigration is clearly a task for the USA Congress. Arizona's efforts were a result of federal inaction. SCOTUS was correct, Arizona did not have the right, under the us constitution to take on the task. But the problem remains Congress.

The real problem is that the current mess is so profitable for the people who own Congress.

Tom
 

factseeker88

factseeker88
are they entering those countries legally or illegally? That is the crux of the present problem...... They are entering the US illegally!

It depends on the circumstance. If it's by choice it's not legal, if they are refugees, they are welcome.

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[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]"Our belief or disbelief[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] [/FONT]of a thing does not alter the nature[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] [/FONT]of things” Tillotson[/FONT]


“[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]This moment is your life.” [/FONT]Omar Khayyam
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
are they entering those countries legally or illegally? That is the crux of the present problem...... They are entering the US illegally!
Both, though it's is more complicated than what can be summed up into a yes/no answer. Cotton subsidies, for example, have us being able to pay less for cotton products but it leaves only pennies a day for African cotton pickers, many who end up leaving Africa for go to Europe where they can actually do better for themselves.
So, though this immigration involves legal and illegal immigration, it is policies abroad that drive it, and these policies that must be addressed before any meaningful immigration policy can happen.

I think I vomited. You just shat on minorities who arose from that mentality and went to school/work in a system that does provide the opportunity. Minorities who think otherwise typically don't become something more, so it looks as if theres a trap they must otherwise escape, a trap you just laid straight on the ground for a 'minority' to step on.
Then why do I see so very few non-whites in school? Why do I see hardly any of them whenever I tread into the office/corporate environment? Why is it that studies have shown that applications that "look black" (as do applications that come from females) land fewer interviews and jobs than applications of white men?
And it's not just jobs and education. Around here, if you even look like you came from Mexico, many people are going to assume you are here illegally, you are a bad influence, and that you need to "go home". The state senate even tried to pass a bill making English the only language allowed in government buildings (never mind the fact our American English contains a sea of foreign words or that Indiana does alot of business with the Germans and Japanese). If you are black, then it is not at all uncommon for store employees to assume you are there to steal once you walk in.
 

factseeker88

factseeker88
Both, though it's is more complicated than what can be summed up into a yes/no answer. Cotton subsidies, for example, have us being able to pay less for cotton products but it leaves only pennies a day for African cotton pickers, many who end up leaving Africa for go to Europe where they can actually do better for themselves.
So, though this immigration involves legal and illegal immigration, it is policies abroad that drive it, and these policies that must be addressed before any meaningful immigration policy can happen.


Then why do I see so very few non-whites in school? Why do I see hardly any of them whenever I tread into the office/corporate environment? Why is it that studies have shown that applications that "look black" (as do applications that come from females) land fewer interviews and jobs than applications of white men?
And it's not just jobs and education. Around here, if you even look like you came from Mexico, many people are going to assume you are here illegally, you are a bad influence, and that you need to "go home". The state senate even tried to pass a bill making English the only language allowed in government buildings (never mind the fact our American English contains a sea of foreign words or that Indiana does alot of business with the Germans and Japanese). If you are black, then it is not at all uncommon for store employees to assume you are there to steal once you walk in.

I can't accept that people are naturally suspicious, that race, gender or other differences matter, not in this day and age.

"Our belief or disbelief of a thing does not alter the nature of things” Tillotson

"This moment is your life." Omar Khayyam
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I can't accept that people are naturally suspicious, that race, gender or other differences matter, not in this day and age.

"Our belief or disbelief of a thing does not alter the nature of things&#8221; Tillotson

"This moment is your life." Omar Khayyam
If it doesn't matter, then why is the transgender community fighting for legal protections against widespread and rampant discrimination? Why is there a push to not treat and define the powerless children of undocumented immigrants as criminals? Why are so many Christians highly suspicious of non-theists, Satanists, Muslims, Jews and other non-Christian beliefs (Muslims, and even Sheiks, have especially been targeted since 9/11)? Why is it legal to fire people from a job or evict them from a home in some states just for being homosexual or transgender? Why are some states pushing for English only when America has no official language and English has never been anywhere close to the exclusive language of America? Why are metal heads often perceived as violent devil worshiping neo-Nazis? Why does the American mainstream media project so much animosity towards Conservatives and Liberals, an animosity that their audiences take to heart? Why is science considered elitist and religion considered stupid? Why is there an abundance of religious denominations that condemn other denominations of the same religion?
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
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Yep. And America sure helped those poor helpless Iraqis, eh?

Please keep the American Way just that: In America.
 

factseeker88

factseeker88
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Yep. And America sure helped those poor helpless Iraqis, eh?

Please keep the American Way just that: In America.

I agree, but the Repub hawks don't, never saw a war they didn't like.

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"This moment is your life." Omar Khayyam

"Our belief or disbelief of a thing does not alter the nature of things” Tillotson
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I agree, but the Repub hawks don't, never saw a war they didn't like.

:sorry1::sorry1::sorry1:

"This moment is your life." Omar Khayyam

"Our belief or disbelief of a thing does not alter the nature of things” Tillotson

If you look at the history you will find that Democrats have plenty of blood on their hands. Most voted to invade Iraq as well. A pox on both their houses.

Tom
 

factseeker88

factseeker88
If you look at the history you will find that Democrats have plenty of blood on their hands. Most voted to invade Iraq as well. A pox on both their houses.

Tom

True, but democrats have never attacked a foreign country that was no threat, and the only reason Democrat Congress voted to invade Iraq was the Bush, Cheney and Rice lies about a WMD threat, especially the part about mushroom clouds.

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“[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]No lesson is so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you should NEVER TRUST EXPERTS” Lord Salisbury[/FONT]

"QUESTION EVERYTHING." TV Science channel
 

esmith

Veteran Member
True, but democrats have never attacked a foreign country that was no threat, and the only reason Democrat Congress voted to invade Iraq was the Bush, Cheney and Rice lies about a WMD threat, especially the part about mushroom clouds.

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“[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]No lesson is so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you should NEVER TRUST EXPERTS” Lord Salisbury[/FONT]

"QUESTION EVERYTHING." TV Science channel

Well for starters try WWII, Korea, Vietnam.
 

Wirey

Fartist
Well for starters try WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

All three of those are pre-existing confrontations that the US joined. The invasion of Iraq is the only time in history that a liberal democracy launched a war of aggression.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Getting into Vietnam was the result of both parties, as was the Korean War, and a great many Democrats and Republicans in general favored both the Persian Gulf War and the Iraq War. Both the Iraq War and Vietnam "conflict" were ill-conceived and sold through some less than honest p.r.
 

factseeker88

factseeker88
Well for starters try WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

I shouldn't have to remind you that Pearl Harbor was attacked first, and K and V were about group, UN vote.

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[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. Mark Twain[/FONT]


“[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is WHAT WE DO.” John Ruskin (1819 - 1900) [/FONT]
 

esmith

Veteran Member
I shouldn't have to remind you that Pearl Harbor was attacked first, and K and V were about group, UN vote.

:yes::yes::yes:

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. Mark Twain[/FONT]


&#8220;[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is WHAT WE DO.&#8221; John Ruskin (1819 - 1900) [/FONT]

Well I agree that the US was attacked first in WWII; however, you are somewhat misinformed about Korea and Vietnam. President Truman committed US forces after North Korea attacked South Korea prior to the UN getting involved and President Eisenhower put military advisers in Vietnam followed by President Kennedy committing ground troops and President Johnson got Congress to approve the further involvement with the Tonkin Gulf resolution. The UN was never approved Vietnam. Russia learned their lesson with Korea.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Mexico is the primary border used. Should of worded it better. Specifically Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala according to what I've read about the situation.

The thing is, by law, there will be an opportunity to claim asylum and givin a proper hearing in immigration court. Still, I agree to expedite the childern to Canada would be a good, no.... an excellent move. The question lies in why isn't that being done? Why the US is the central player in all this eludes me. From what some folks are saying , the US is the problem maker. Not the solution to problems in this age.

Canada should make an offer to take them in. Imo.

We take in about 24,000 refugees per year, in a country with a population of about 35 million. That's about 0.0007 per capita.

The US takes in about 87,000 in a country of 315 million. That is 0.0003 per capita.

We happily take refugees, but it isn't Canada that's shuffling off its responsibilities in that department based on these numbers. It's the US.

http://www.amssa.org/files/Info_Sheet/AMSSA%20Info%20Sheet%20Issue%208%20-%20Final.pdf
Refugees and Asylees in the United States | migrationpolicy.org
 
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Alceste

Vagabond
So, what I am basically hearing from some is that these CHILDREN (insert your own description here) are fleeing from their country to ours because we have it better here. Now, let me ask a very simple question. Are those of you who think we should accept these CHILDREN believe that we should accept any and all CHILDREN who do not have the same life in their country that those in Canada have? How about those in Africa, China, Southeast Asia, Indian subcontinent, Afghanistan, Pakistan, North Korea, just to name a few.

Yes, I do. If they can make it here, they are welcome to stay.
 
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