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JRMcC

JRMcC

Active Member
This is primarily addressed to Muslims from the middle east. It's well known that there is a general disapproval of Israel and/or its actions throughout the middle east. Of course it varies form person to person, country to country. If you're one of those people who takes issue with Israel and/or its actions I'd like to ask you this:
Would you consider yourself
A. Anti-Israel
B. Anti-Jew
C. Anti-Zionist
D. All of the above
E. Some combination of these (please explain)
F. None of the above (please explain)

Thanks in advance for entertaining my obnoxious question!
 
Toxikmynd

Toxikmynd

Demir
Anti-Zionist, no better than the Crusaders imo.

I'm also anti Israel because it has broken so many UN resolutions without recoil. You can only take so many shots before your arm starts to hurt.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
JRMcC said:
A stellar question my friend! :) A subtle difference. Really, I'm only interested in hearing people describe their views here.
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No, I'm asking because I don't know what the difference could be. Anti-Zionism in its purest form, is just another branch of anti-Nationalism. Anti-Israelism sounds like being anti-Israel for the sake opposing Israel.
 
JRMcC

JRMcC

Active Member
Nietzsche said:
No, I'm asking because I don't know what the difference could be. Anti-Zionism in its purest form, is just another branch of anti-Nationalism. Anti-Israelism sounds like being anti-Israel for the sake opposing Israel.
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I don't know. What does being pro-Israel mean? I feel like you could be anti-zionist and still think Israel should exist. When I say I'm anti-zionist I'm thinking about continuing expansion and violence in the name of protecting expansion.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Servant_of_the_One said:
Its easy.
I support israel as state far from middle east.
Let Germany or USA give them piece of land within their own countries.
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If this were 1945, I would agree with you. But there are people who have lived there now for 70+ years. Generations of families. Those responsible are dead or dying, and their descendents do not deserve to be punished by something as fickle as being their children & grandchildren. That would be a crime no less than the colonization of East Jerusalem, Gaza, the Golan Heights and so on.

Here in the civilized world, we don't condemn the children of those who have done wrong just because they happen to share DNA. What should be done is to turn it into a Dependency of a third party. A state that has no religious or cultural interest in the area. China or Japan comes to mind. Because to be frank, Israelis & Arabs in the area have been acting like spoiled, petulant children and in any decent world we would've taken their toys away and told them to stand in the corner until they're ready to act like adults.

Both sides are equally at fault here, period. Both have proven they don't deserve a state.
 
Servant_of_the_One1

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
Sha'irullah said:
When I was a Muslim I used to hear the catch phrase "we do not hate Jews we hate Zionists."
Now if you ask a Muslim what is a Zionist they will respond, "any Jew living in Israel."

Muslims are some of the biggest liars followed by Hindus then Christians. The issue though is that they can't lie with smiles but instead their lies lead to aggression. This is all fair play until you add a dose of reasoning into the mix and watch arguments fail.
The Filistinians where rightfully removed from the land they occupied whether by force or by coercion. It is all right at the end of the day.
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When i was muslim lol
That gets never old.

Anyways muslims are against zionists for political reasons, and we condemn jews for religious reason(believing they tried to kill jesus and muhammad pbu+t)
 
gsa

gsa

Well-Known Member
Servant_of_the_One said:
I support Israel within Germany or USA.
Anyways iam 100% anti-zionism and anti-israel(within Middle East).
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There's a definite historical basis for securing the land from Germany. I'm not quite sure what you think the US did to warrant creation of an independent Jewish state using US territory. Being the first country to emancipate Jews? Or just having the largest population outside of Israel?

Regardless, Israel stays.
 
Toxikmynd

Toxikmynd

Demir
Nietzsche said:
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If this were 1945, I would agree with you. But there are people who have lived there now for 70+ years. Generations of families. Those responsible are dead or dying, and their descendents do not deserve to be punished by something as fickle as being their children & grandchildren. That would be a crime no less than the colonization of East Jerusalem, Gaza, the Golan Heights and so on.

Here in the civilized world, we don't condemn the children of those who have done wrong just because they happen to share DNA. What should be done is to turn it into a Dependency of a third party. A state that has no religious or cultural interest in the area. China or Japan comes to mind. Because to be frank, Israelis & Arabs in the area have been acting like spoiled, petulant children and in any decent world we would've taken their toys away and told them to stand in the corner until they're ready to act like adults.

Both sides are equally at fault here, period. Both have proven they don't deserve a state.
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We compensate Natives here in Canada for what we did when we were colonizing the New World, yet, these new generations don't deserve compensation at all, they haven't earned it, I'm not saying we shouldn't but they still demand more compensation all the time. I am partially native and still believe that we are compensating for something the new generations don't deserve. Its the same as what you said though, why should MY generation pay, for my ancestors actions. I'm not status btw, so I get 0 compensation.
 
Servant_of_the_One1

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
gsaseeker said:
There's a definite historical basis for securing the land from Germany. I'm not quite sure what you think the US did to warrant creation of an independent Jewish state using US territory. Being the first country to emancipate Jews? Or just having the largest population outside of Israel?

Regardless, Israel stays.
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Because America obviously is biggest ally of Israel. Iam sure its possible to grant them land in America.
 
gsa

gsa

Well-Known Member
Servant_of_the_One said:
Because America obviously is biggest ally of Israel. Iam sure its possible to grant them land in America.
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Uh huh. How about this: Israel gives up the Occupation, and all of the surrounding Arab states secularize, remove social and political barriers for women, religious minorities, gay men and lesbians and dissidents, and then accept Israel as an equal partner in a post-Islamic era?

That sounds much better, and far more realistic, than forcing all of the Jews in Israel to relocate to the United States.
 
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