Hidden Book mentioned in the Qur'aan

[kylixguru]

I recently heard the Qur'aan contains or speaks of a Hidden Book.

I would like to have an open discussion on the nature, content and purpose of such a book.

Is there anyone here who can present meaningful evidences to support this rumor?

 

[al-amiyr]

I recently heard the Qur'aan contains or speaks of a Hidden Book.

I would like to have an open discussion on the nature, content and purpose of such a book.

Is there anyone here who can present meaningful evidences to support this rumor?

Yes I can. This knowledge is only with one family on earth.I shall present you with all the proofs. You judge for yourself. There is none other on earth who can give you these details. The discussion of this Book is forbidden by all the satanists and their allies across all the world. It was because of the making known of this book to the world that so many men of God had to sacrifice their lives. You will see that the people who say they love freedom and liberty, you will see how they will react to this knowledge.
This knowledge is very easy to learn. It is as easy as thinking. You yourself will penetrate it with your own mind. As we enter it the doors close and the world will no longer know what the discussion is about. It is a protected book but is open to the world.
If I show you this book you will never think the same again. Your eyes will open and you will observe the darkness in which the world walks. Suddenly all the words of the prophets and Jesus who is the word of God and Muhammad who is the messenger-prophet of God come alive. You will know the meaning of OM and the secret letters in the Qur'aan that only a few in this world know.
I am more willing to talk to you about it than you must be wishing to know.

Anytime I am willing to begin with a discussion.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I recently heard the Qur'aan contains or speaks of a Hidden Book.

I would like to have an open discussion on the nature, content and purpose of such a book.

Is there anyone here who can present meaningful evidences to support this rumor?

Sounds familiar, Can you please quote the verse?

 

[McBell]

Yes I can.

and yet you don't...

Funny that.

 

[kylixguru]

Sounds familiar, Can you please quote the verse?

There is a passage of interest in Sura 3.

7 He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

This seems to me to be speaking about a hidden book that is contained in and through out the other books of scripture.

 

[kylixguru]

Yes I can. This knowledge is only with one family on earth.I shall present you with all the proofs. You judge for yourself. There is none other on earth who can give you these details. The discussion of this Book is forbidden by all the satanists and their allies across all the world. It was because of the making known of this book to the world that so many men of God had to sacrifice their lives. You will see that the people who say they love freedom and liberty, you will see how they will react to this knowledge.
This knowledge is very easy to learn. It is as easy as thinking. You yourself will penetrate it with your own mind. As we enter it the doors close and the world will no longer know what the discussion is about. It is a protected book but is open to the world.
If I show you this book you will never think the same again. Your eyes will open and you will observe the darkness in which the world walks. Suddenly all the words of the prophets and Jesus who is the word of God and Muhammad who is the messenger-prophet of God come alive. You will know the meaning of OM and the secret letters in the Qur'aan that only a few in this world know.
I am more willing to talk to you about it than you must be wishing to know.

Anytime I am willing to begin with a discussion.

I am interested.
I will be an intent listener.
I won't worry about what I may disagree on until I can confirm to you that I actually understand what you do from your point of view as best I can.

 

[al-amiyr]

and yet you don't...

Funny that.

Are you willing to listen without making any threats. When I started the first thread to explain it members from your forum started posting that I am spamming which was not true. When I opened a thread actually giving evidence for the hidden book, "what did you do?". You closed it! Your hypocritical standards are becoming very clear. Now again when I begin to respond to this request you jump in without listening. What is the problem? """ The days are numbered and Satan and his allies are getting frantic""". At least here seem to be at least a few persons who are willing to give it a hearing. Let them be the judge because as I said right from the beginning it requires your full attention otherwise there will be no understanding.

 

[al-amiyr]

I am interested.
I will be an intent listener.
I won't worry about what I may disagree on until I can confirm to you that I actually understand what you do from your point of view as best I can.

If you do as you have said then certainly you cannot go wrong. You would be a true seeker of knowledge because you would first listen and then make your own judgement. Then you would also be able to participate and give your advice and make contributions. In that way all of us can learn and better ourselves and the world.

There are three aspects to this discussion:-
1)- What is the Hidden Book?
2)- Evidence for The Hidden Book.
3)- Entering The Hidden book.

Let me know where you would like to begin?

 

[Madhuri]

1)- What is the Hidden Book?

This, because I have never heard of a Hidden Book.

 

[TashaN]

A hidden book? hmmmm. I'll wait first for al-amiyr to answer.

 

[Madhuri]

Al-amiyr, just remember when you post whatever you wish to post you must conform to forum rules. You may not copy/paste vast amounts of information but you may post links to the source of the information.

 

[al-amiyr]

Al-amiyr, just remember when you post whatever you wish to post you must conform to forum rules. You may not copy/paste vast amounts of information but you may post links to the source of the information.

It will not be an un-madhuri pill to swallow.

 

[kylixguru]

If you do as you have said then certainly you cannot go wrong. You would be a true seeker of knowledge because you would first listen and then make your own judgement. Then you would also be able to participate and give your advice and make contributions. In that way all of us can learn and better ourselves and the world.

There are three aspects to this discussion:-
1)- What is the Hidden Book?
2)- Evidence for The Hidden Book.
3)- Entering The Hidden book.

Let me know where you would like to begin?

In that order sounds fine to me.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

There is a passage of interest in Sura 3.

7 He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation (TAWEEL) except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

This seems to me to be speaking about a hidden book that is contained in and through out the other books of scripture.

Yes, that is true. See the part I underlined.
It means there are some verses in Quran that have a Hidden Meaning in them, and Only God KNows its interpretation.
The Arabic Word for interpretation is "Taweel".
Now, in Quran, it promises that the "Taweel" of Quran comes one day:

"What have they to wait for now but its interpretation (Taweel)? When its interpretation shall come, they who aforetime were oblivious of it shall say, "The Prophets of our Lord did indeed bring the truth; shall we have any intercessor to intercede for us? or could we not be sent back? Then would we act otherwise than we have acted." But they have ruined themselves; and the deities of their own devising have fled from them!" 7:53

al-A`raf 7:53

In Baha'i view this promise is already fulfilled.
The most important part of Quran, was the Day of Resurrection, in which the "Dead" becomes "Alive".
In Baha'i view, this meant the coming a new Guidance from God, by which the Spiritually Dead, can get Spiritual life again, and raise from the grave of error to the life of guidance.
The coming of Messengers and its time have been always a mystery of God which is only revealed in its own time.

Now as to the part of the verse which says:

"then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation"

In Baha'i View these were Moslem Religious Leaders who cling to literal interpretations of the Day of Resurrection and follow the allegorical parts, and use their own interpretations, and cause other Moslems not to recognize the New Revelation after Islam.

Now as to the time of the Day of Resurrection, in Baha'i view this verse of Quran alludes to it, and gives a hidden sign:

“He governs (Amr) all that exists, from the celestial space to the earth; and in the end all shall ascend unto Him [for judgment] on a Day the length whereof will be [like] a thousand years of your reckoning." Quran 32:5​

as-Sajdah 32:5​

That means, the Day of Ressurection was to come 1000 years after the Faith of Islam (Amr), which corresponds exactly to the year Baha'i Revelation appeared. Not 1 year less, not 1 year more.​

 

[McBell]

Are you willing to listen without making any threats. When I started the first thread to explain it members from your forum started posting that I am spamming which was not true. When I opened a thread actually giving evidence for the hidden book, "what did you do?". You closed it! Your hypocritical standards are becoming very clear. Now again when I begin to respond to this request you jump in without listening. What is the problem? """ The days are numbered and Satan and his allies are getting frantic""". At least here seem to be at least a few persons who are willing to give it a hearing. Let them be the judge because as I said right from the beginning it requires your full attention otherwise there will be no understanding.

Are you going to to actually present the information without sermons?
Interestingly enough, it is you who have started calling names.

Sad that you demonstrate hypocrisy in the very post you whine about the hypocrisy of others.

You make the false accusation of my not listening, yet you have not presented anything to listen to...

I have to wonder if you are more interested in your self appointed martyrdom than you are in your alleged hidden book.

 

[kylixguru]

Yes, that is true. See the part I underlined.
It means there are some verses in Quran that have a Hidden Meaning in them, and Only God Knows its interpretation.

It looked to me like "and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge" would be mindful of it and believe in it too.

The Arabic Word for interpretation is "Taweel".
Now, in Quran, it promises that the "Taweel" of Quran comes one day:

"What have they to wait for now but its interpretation (Taweel)? When its interpretation shall come, they who aforetime were oblivious of it shall say, "The Prophets of our Lord did indeed bring the truth; shall we have any intercessor to intercede for us? or could we not be sent back? Then would we act otherwise than we have acted." But they have ruined themselves; and the deities of their own devising have fled from them!" 7:53

al-A`raf 7:53

This is interesting. It speaks of the proper interpretation of the Hidden Book as being something that is woven throughout all the holy books that has a very specific meaning that shall at some point become unlocked or unfolded in such a way as to expose the falseness of many people's religious views as well as convey the truth of all the former prophets to unbelievers.

In Baha'i view this promise is already fulfilled.
The most important part of Quran, was the Day of Resurrection, in which the "Dead" becomes "Alive".
In Baha'i view, this meant the coming a new Guidance from God, by which the Spiritually Dead, can get Spiritual life again, and raise from the grave of error to the life of guidance.

I agree that the resurrection can be looked at spiritually as well as physically. This also would be consistent with the process of those who are "firmly rooted in knowledge" obtaining the proper and complete understanding of the Hidden Book.

That verse you shared earlier also alluded to the coming fourth of the proper interpretation as being a means by which unbelievers would be judged. Understanding this Hidden Book properly appears to be the basis upon which a person can hope to be resurrected unto a good and glorious end rather than being exposed for having taught and advanced false personal interpretations.

The coming of Messengers and its time have been always a mystery of God which is only revealed in its own time.

This sounds like Daniel 12:4 when Michael would stand up and there would be a time of trouble.
This also sounds like Acts 1:7 when Jesus taught that only the Father would know when it was time for His Kingdom to come.
It seems to me that the coming Kingdom of the Father shall include the knowledge of the correct interpretation of the Hidden Book. While there may be other intermediary sources of guidance to help a person get there, ultimately it all boils down to those who really "get it". This appears to me to be connected with Michael standing up in the latter days. What role do you see Michael playing in the end times? What is his "time of trouble"?

My understanding is that Michael becomes the new Adam for the new Creation to follow and his time of trouble is when he transgresses and falls. Therefore, it seems that Michael's redemption is connected with the resurrection of everyone, which is also connected with everyone's time of Judgment. Adam lived for nearly 1,000 years so it seems suggestive to me that the period of Adam's lifetime corresponds with the Day of Judgment. It is also Adam who has the job of giving all of the "creatures" their "new name", which seems to be indicative of the process of judgment.

If this manner of interpretation of things is correct, then I would simply be one who is firmly grounded in knowledge and in agreement with the Hidden Book. Of course, I could also just be making my own personal interpretation. People won't really know until the proper interpretation is given and then you can look at everything a person has taught and know if it was in accordance with the Hidden Book, or if they had made things up on their own. I believe there will be multiple individuals who will be firmly grounded in knowledge that find one another and collaborate together until the full vision snaps into view such that it can be coherently explained to others. All of those individuals will not take glory to themselves, but they will recognize that if it wasn't for God's grace no such knowledge could have come to them.

Now as to the part of the verse which says:

"then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation"

In Baha'i View these were Moslem Religious Leaders who cling to literal interpretations of the Day of Resurrection and follow the allegorical parts, and use their own interpretations, and cause other Moslems not to recognize the New Revelation after Islam.

Perhaps that is so. Does the New Revelation include the information that will help everyone come to the fulness of the knowledge of the Hidden Book, or is it yet another waypoint in the process pointing to a yet future unfolding?

Now as to the time of the Day of Resurrection, in Baha'i view this verse of Quran alludes to it, and gives a hidden sign:

“He governs (Amr) all that exists, from the celestial space to the earth; and in the end all shall ascend unto Him [for judgment] on a Day the length whereof will be [like] a thousand years of your reckoning." Quran 32:5​

as-Sajdah 32:5​

That means, the Day of Ressurection was to come 1000 years after the Faith of Islam (Amr), which corresponds exactly to the year Baha'i Revelation appeared. Not 1 year less, not 1 year more.​

This doesn't seem like a consistent reading of that verse. I got the understanding that the Judgment Day itself would be a period of about 1,000 years. It is likely coincidental that there was 1,000 years before the Baha'i Revelation.
You have to watch out for the curve balls.

 

[al-amiyr]

If you do as you have said then certainly you cannot go wrong. You would be a true seeker of knowledge because you would first listen and then make your own judgement. Then you would also be able to participate and give your advice and make contributions. In that way all of us can learn and better ourselves and the world.

There are three aspects to this discussion:-
1)- What is the Hidden Book?
2)- Evidence for The Hidden Book.
3)- Entering The Hidden book.

Let me know where you would like to begin?

In that order sounds fine to me.

Then let us begin right at the beginning.
Keep the following in mind:
1)- Whatever you have heard before has nothing to do with the book that I am going to explain to you here. Whoever wishes to explain what the Hidden book is has nothing to do with what I am going to explain. This is something else.
2)- The Hidden Book is an interaction. You must pay attention to every detail I am going to present. For this reason I am going to ask questions as we enter the Hidden Book which you must answer so that I can know for sure that you are perfectly on track.
3)-I will try not to be diverted.

I will wait when you have arrived and then we can begin. If God had willed the time.

 

[kylixguru]

Then let us begin right at the beginning.
Keep the following in mind:
1)- Whatever you have heard before has nothing to do with the book that I am going to explain to you here. Whoever wishes to explain what the Hidden book is has nothing to do with what I am going to explain. This is something else.
2)- The Hidden Book is an interaction. You must pay attention to every detail I am going to present. For this reason I am going to ask questions as we enter the Hidden Book which you must answer so that I can know for sure that you are perfectly on track.
3)-I will try not to be diverted.

I will wait when you have arrived and then we can begin. If God had willed the time.

Ok, go for it.

 

[al-amiyr]

I am interested.
I will be an intent listener.
I won't worry about what I may disagree on until I can confirm to you that I actually understand what you do from your point of view as best I can.

[FONT=&quot]Daniel 12:4[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And thou, O Daniel, hide the things, and seal the book till the time of the end, many do go to and fro, and knowledge is multiplied.'[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Qur'aan 056:077 - 080.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And truly it is a Noble Qur’aan in a Hidden Book None touches it except the Purified Ones. A revelation from The Lord of the Worlds.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]There is a Book that none could touch that none could see and that none could know except for the very few.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] This Book called That Book or The Scroll or just The Book is now here to be shown to you and anyone else who wish to see.
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] Be prepared for a journey across the origins of the dimensions of Matter[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot] - Space -[/FONT] Time.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Hidden Book! What is the Hidden Book? And what will explain to you what the Hidden Book is?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Those who will not look beyond the vision of their own eyes will remain forever in light blinded by the darkness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But those whose minds have been illuminated by knowledge to them the darkness does not exist.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Nobody can be told what the Hidden Book is - you like everyone else must see it for yourself.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Therefore give your full attention! Look! Learn! And ponder! And then behold! The understanding will also be yours.[/FONT]

If you give the go ahead we can continue.
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[kylixguru]

[FONT=&quot]Daniel 12:4[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]And thou, O Daniel, hide the things, and seal the book till the time of the end, many do go to and fro, and knowledge is multiplied.'[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Qur'aan 056:077 - 080.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And truly it is a Noble Qur’aan in a Hidden Book None touches it except the Purified Ones. A revelation from The Lord of the Worlds.[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]There is a Book that none could touch that none could see and that none could know except for the very few.[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]This Book called That Book or The Scroll or just The Book is now here to be shown to you and anyone else who wish to see.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Be prepared for a journey across the origins of the dimensions of Matter[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot] - Space -[/FONT] Time.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]The Hidden Book! What is the Hidden Book? And what will explain to you what the Hidden Book is?[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Those who will not look beyond the vision of their own eyes will remain forever in light blinded by the darkness.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]But those whose minds have been illuminated by knowledge to them the darkness does not exist.[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Nobody can be told what the Hidden Book is - you like everyone else must see it for yourself.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Therefore give your full attention! Look! Learn! And ponder! And then behold! The understanding will also be yours.[/FONT]​

If you give the go ahead we can continue.​

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Keep going.