Hidden Book mentioned in the Qur'aan

[kylixguru]

Ok, please continue.

 

[al-amiyr]

Ok, please continue.

[FONT=&quot]The second coming in written form of the Book (al_kitaab).[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]ALLAAH sends Jesus ("iysaa) (D+) and with him He[/FONT][FONT=&quot]sends the Book (al_kitaab) via the Gospel (al_'injiyl).[/FONT]
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And behold! The Angels said "O Mary! ALLAAH gives thee good news of a Word from Him. His name is the Christ Jesus, the Son of Mary distinguished in this world and the hereafter.[/FONT]

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"He shall speak to the people in the cradle and middle age"[/FONT]

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She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?" He said: "Like that it is to thee; ALLAAH creates what He wills. When He has executed a command and then He just says to it BE! And then it IS.[/FONT]

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And ALLAAH will teach him the Book (al_kitaab) and the Wisdom (al_hikmah)and the Torah (al_tawrah) and the Gospel (al_'injiyl).[/FONT]

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And in their footsteps We sent Jesus (D+), the Son of Mary (s+) confirming what is between His Hands from the Torah. And We sent him the Gospel wherein is Guidance and Light and confirming what is between His Hands from the Torah a Guidance and an Admonition to those who fear ALLAAH.[/FONT]

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If they had abided by The Torah and The Gospel and what has been revealed to them from their Lord they would have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them are a rightly guided- directed people but many of them bad is what they do.[/FONT]

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And from among those who said, "truly we are Christian" We did take their Covenant but they forgot a good part of what they were reminded of. And so We brought among them antagonism and hatred until he Day of Resurrection. And ALLAAH will inform them in what it was they have done.

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[FONT=&quot]Next! The third coming in written form of the Book (al_kitaab) to humanity.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ALLAAH sends Muhammad (S+) and with him He sends the Book (al_kitaab) via the Qur'aan (al_qur'aan).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Confirm if we must continue.[/FONT]​

 

[kylixguru]

Ok, please continue.

Also, please clarify what al_hikmah pertains to.

 

[al-amiyr]

Ok, please continue.

Also, please clarify what al_hikmah pertains to.

[FONT=&quot]The third coming in written form of the Book (al_kitaab).[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]ALLAAH sends Muhammad (S+) and with him He sends the Book (al_kitaab) via the Qur'aan (al_qur'aan).[/FONT]
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Here ALLAAH speaks to the Muslims. Telling them about the Book (al-kitaab) which he sent to two peoples in written form before and now he has revealed it to the Prophet Muhammad a third time.
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Oh you who have believed! Believe in ALLAAH and His Messenger and the Book (al_kitaab) which He has sent His Messenger and the Book (al_kitaab) which He has sent aforetime. And who rejects ALLAAH His Angels His Books His Messengers and the Day of Judgment has lost his way; a distant straying. [/FONT]

I insert this verse to give an idea about the knowledge the Book (al-kitaab) contains
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And then We gave Moses (P+) the Book (al_kitaab) a total completion upon those who are more excellent and a complete detailed explanation of everything as well as a Guide and a Mercy in order that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord. [/FONT]
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And This is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing so follow it and work towards perfect righteousness in order that you may receive mercy.

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Lest you should say "The Book (al_kitaab) was sent down to Two Peoples before us and that we were upon their studies truly unaware.[/FONT]
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Or lest you should say "If The Book (al_kitaab) had been sent down to us we would have been better guided than them.And so there has come to you indisputable evidence from your Lord and a Guide and a Mercy. And who can be more unjustly wrong than one who denies the Signs (al_aayaat) of ALLAAH and turns away from them. We shall reward those who turn away from Our Signs with the calamity of punishment for their having turned away. [/FONT]
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We do tell unto thee the best of stories in what We reveal to thee of this Qur’aan and thou were before this from among the unaware.[/FONT]
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Truly This Qur’aan guides to that which is most upright and gives the good news to the believers who do the good works. Truly for them is a great reward.

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High above is ALLAAH The King, The Truth! Be thou not in a hurry with the Qur’aan before it’s revelation to thee is completed but say “my Lord![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Increase me in Knowledge” [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] And it was not that this Qur’aan could have been contrived by other than ALLAAH.
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it is a confirmation of What is between His Hands
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a detailed explanation of the Book (al_kitaab)
wherein there is no doubt from the Lord of the Worlds.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]And truly it is
a Noble Qur’aan
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None touches it except the Purified Ones.
A revelation from The Lord of the Worlds.[/FONT]
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Recite what is revealed to thee from the Book (al_kitaab) and establish the Regular Praising Prayer. Truly the Regular Praising Prayer restrains from the Abominable Bad Deeds as well as the Reprehensible Action. And truly the Remembrance of ALLAAH is Greater. And ALLAAH knows what you are doing.[/FONT]
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And dispute you not with the People of the Book (al_kitaab) except in which it is better -except with those who do wrong among them- but say "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which has come down to you. Our God and your God is One. And it is to Him We submit. [/FONT]
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And like that We have sent down to thee the Book (al_kitaab). And so those to whom we have given the Book (al_kitaab) believe therein as also do some of these and none rejects Our Signs except the Ungrateful Unbelievers.


[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]If the last prophet to whom ALLAAH (God) revealed the Book (al-kitaab) was Muhammad (S+) 1400 years ago we might well ask[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][Where is the Book (al_kitaab) now?][/FONT][/FONT]

Confirm if we must continue at this stage.​

 

[kylixguru]

Ok, I'm ready for you to continue.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

This is the spiritual resurrection that Jesus brought and is what is spoken of happening in his time.

Yes, it is the same concept.

What I wonder is if this is the same as what all of the other religions are looking for right now.

The Moslems are waiting for two figures, Mahdi and return of Christ.
Christians waiting for return of Christ.
The Jews expect “Everlasting Father,” the “Lord of Hosts”, Zoroastrians expect the promised Sháh-Bahrám, the Hindus the reincarnation of Krishna; to the Buddhists the fifth Buddha.
The Bab claimed to be Mahdi,and to Baha'is He is also the return of Elijah and John the Baptist. Baha'u'llah claimed to be the Return of Christ, Everlasting Father,” the “Lord of Hosts”, reincarnation of Krishna the fifth Buddha.​

Ok, I'll gladly hear you out fully on that.

Again looking at the verse:
The Best literal translation I found is this, for most others have included their own interpretation.

“He manages every command (Al-Amr) from the heaven to the earth. Again, it will go up to Him in a day, the span of which had been a thousand years of what you number." Quran 32:5​

as-Sajdah 32:5
So let's look at the verse part by part:​

"He manages every command (Al-Amr) from the heaven to the earth."​

The word Al-Amr, is a word in Quran that is use to describe the cause of God, or the flow of Guidance.
In Islam the flow of guidance according to Shia Islam continued through the family of the Prophet Muhammad till the year 260 A.H.
Muhammad al-Mahdi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

They were 12 Imams, who are known as infallibles, who according to Hadithes and Quran are chosen ones of God for the dispensation of Islam.​

The same is also described in Bible according to Baha'i Scriptures:​

In Revelation 12, verse 1, it is said: “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.”

"This woman is that bride, the Law of God that descended upon Muhammad. The sun with which she was clothed, and the moon which was under her feet, are the two nations which are under the shadow of that Law, the Persian and Ottoman kingdoms; for the emblem of Persia is the sun, and that of the Ottoman Empire is the crescent moon. Thus the sun and moon are the emblems of two kingdoms which are under the power of the Law of God. Afterward it is said: “upon her head is a crown of twelve stars.” These twelve stars are the twelve Imáms, who were the promoters of the Law of Mu[FONT=Times Ext Roman,Times Ext Roman]ḥ[/FONT]ammad and the educators of the people, shining like stars in the heaven of guidance."
Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 67-72

The second part of the verse:​

"Again, it will go up to Him in a day, the span of which had been a thousand years of what you number."
This is the duration of dispensation of Islam, which was to come after 1000 year.​

If you add 260 + 1000 you get the year 1260 A.H. The year the Bab declaired.​

The same year can be calculated from the Bible:​

"In the eighth chapter of the Book of Daniel, verse thirteen, it is said: “Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?” Then he answered (v. 14): “Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed”; (v. 17) “But he said unto me ... at the time of the end shall be the vision.” That is to say, how long will this misfortune, this ruin, this abasement and degradation last? meaning, when will be the dawn of the Manifestation? Then he answered, “Two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.” Briefly, the purport of this passage is that he appoints two thousand three hundred years, for in the text of the Bible each day is a year. Then from the date of the issuing of the edict of Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem until the day of the birth of Christ there are 456 years, and from the birth of Christ until the day of the manifestation of the Báb there are 1844 years. When you add 456 years to this number it makes 2300 years. That is to say, the fulfillment of the vision of Daniel took place in the year A.D. 1844, and this is the year of the Báb’s manifestation according to the actual text of the Book of Daniel. "
Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 36-44​

With the Bible, you get the year 1844. But Year 1844 is the year 1260 A.H. in Islamic calander.
Hijri and Gregorian calendar, Date conversion, Special Islamic days and events.​

 

[FearGod]

Yes, but more interestingly, this is how Quran defines raising from the dead:

“Shall the dead whom We have quickened, and for whom We have ordained a light whereby he may walk among men, be like him, whose likeness is in the darkness, whence he will not come forth?” Quran 6:122​

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/6/122/default.htm​

The above verse was revealed when a man who was an unbeliever before, became a believer, and the verse is saying He was raised from Dead. ​

For verse 6:122,i don't agree with your tafseer that it is describing the believer as dead,but i understand from the verse that both came to life from dead,but it compares that one have chose to live with god guidance as his light to go through his life and the other one didn't choose god guidance and of course he is lost in darkness.

“Shall the dead whom We have quickened, and for whom We have ordained a light whereby he may walk among men, be like him, whose likeness is in the darkness, whence he will not come forth?” Quran 6:122

 

[al-amiyr]

Ok, please continue.

Also, please clarify what al_hikmah pertains to.

al_hikmah (the Wisdom) pertains to the execution of the book (al-kitaab). After we had gone through the Book (al-kitaab) I will then be able to show you what al_hikmah (the Wisdom) is.

Ok, I'm ready for you to continue.

At this stage we must stop and and look back at all the information we have gathered thus far concerning the Book (al-kitaab).

From the point of view of the Qur'aan, "What are your observations?"
1)- Does there exist a book called the Book (al-kitaab)?
2)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) a book that has been revealed to one person at one particular time or to a number of persons throughout time?
3)- If so (question 1), does the book (al-kitaab) sound like an important book?
4)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) the Wisdom (al-hikmah)?
5)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) the Torah (al-tawrah)?
6)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) the Gospel (al-'injiyl).
7)- If so (question 1), is it any other book known to man before the coming of the gospel (al-'injiyl)?
8)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) the Qur'aan (al-qur'aan)?
9)- If so (question 1), and if none of the above books is the book (al-kitaab) then we may want to ask the following further important questions:-
i)- What is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab)?
ii)- Is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) still in existence (meaning on earth)?
iii)- If this book that is called the Book (al-kitaab) is still in existence, where can we find it?
iv)- Why is this book that is called the Book (al-kitaab) so elusive or why does this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) appear to be hidden from the eyes of the world?
v)-Will this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) ever be made known again to the world and if so what would be the consequences if there would be any?

It is important that you try to answer all the questions above so that we may proceed steadily into the book (al-kitaab) upon which the Entire Universe is based and which is between the hands of ALLAAH (God) on His Mighty Throne.

Then confirm again for us to continue.
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[InvestigateTruth]

For verse 6:122,i don't agree with your tafseer that it is describing the believer as dead,but i understand from the verse that both came to life from dead,but it compares that one have chose to live with god guidance as his light to go through his life and the other one didn't choose god guidance and of course he is lost in darkness.

“Shall the dead whom We have quickened, and for whom We have ordained a light whereby he may walk among men, be like him, whose likeness is in the darkness, whence he will not come forth?” Quran 6:122

Hi FearGod, If you remember, I have already discussed this with you, and you left the discussion.
It was here in this thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/132793-koran-v-bible-59.html

Please also note that, there is a difference between Tafseer and Taweel.
Taweel, by defination from Quran, means interpretations of the Figurative verses. (Refer to Surah of Joseph, when there are examples of Taweel)
Tafseer is explaination of a Muhkamat verses.
Tafseer is used in explaining a word which carries only one meaning, whereas taweel is used in choosing one of the connotations of a word that possesses many connotations.

The Quran says, the Taweel shall come, so, if there are verses that contains a Word, with several meaning, the Taweel is unknown to a regular man, except by God and His Messengers who are given the knowledge. The Prophet of Islam did not leave a Taweel of Quran. There are many Tafseers that are attributed to the Prophet.

 

[FearGod]

Yes, it is the same concept.

The Moslems are waiting for two figures, Mahdi and return of Christ.
Christians waiting for return of Christ.
The Jews expect “Everlasting Father,” the “Lord of Hosts”, Zoroastrians expect the promised Sháh-Bahrám, the Hindus the reincarnation of Krishna; to the Buddhists the fifth Buddha.
The Bab claimed to be Mahdi,and to Baha'is He is also the return of Elijah and John the Baptist. Baha'u'llah claimed to be the Return of Christ, Everlasting Father,” the “Lord of Hosts”, reincarnation of Krishna the fifth Buddha.​

Again looking at the verse:
The Best literal translation I found is this, for most others have included their own interpretation.

“He manages every command (Al-Amr) from the heaven to the earth. Again, it will go up to Him in a day, the span of which had been a thousand years of what you number." Quran 32:5​

as-Sajdah 32:5
So let's look at the verse part by part:​

"He manages every command (Al-Amr) from the heaven to the earth."​

The word Al-Amr, is a word in Quran that is use to describe the cause of God, or the flow of Guidance.
In Islam the flow of guidance according to Shia Islam continued through the family of the Prophet Muhammad till the year 260 A.H.
Muhammad al-Mahdi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

They were 12 Imams, who are known as infallibles, who according to Hadithes and Quran are chosen ones of God for the dispensation of Islam.​

The same is also described in Bible according to Baha'i Scriptures:​

In Revelation 12, verse 1, it is said: “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.”

"This woman is that bride, the Law of God that descended upon Muhammad. The sun with which she was clothed, and the moon which was under her feet, are the two nations which are under the shadow of that Law, the Persian and Ottoman kingdoms; for the emblem of Persia is the sun, and that of the Ottoman Empire is the crescent moon. Thus the sun and moon are the emblems of two kingdoms which are under the power of the Law of God. Afterward it is said: “upon her head is a crown of twelve stars.” These twelve stars are the twelve Imáms, who were the promoters of the Law of Mu[FONT=Times Ext Roman,Times Ext Roman]ḥ[/FONT]ammad and the educators of the people, shining like stars in the heaven of guidance."
Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 67-72

The second part of the verse:​

"Again, it will go up to Him in a day, the span of which had been a thousand years of what you number."
This is the duration of dispensation of Islam, which was to come after 1000 year.​

If you add 260 + 1000 you get the year 1260 A.H. The year the Bab declaired.​

The same year can be calculated from the Bible:​

"In the eighth chapter of the Book of Daniel, verse thirteen, it is said: “Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?” Then he answered (v. 14): “Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed”; (v. 17) “But he said unto me ... at the time of the end shall be the vision.” That is to say, how long will this misfortune, this ruin, this abasement and degradation last? meaning, when will be the dawn of the Manifestation? Then he answered, “Two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.” Briefly, the purport of this passage is that he appoints two thousand three hundred years, for in the text of the Bible each day is a year. Then from the date of the issuing of the edict of Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem until the day of the birth of Christ there are 456 years, and from the birth of Christ until the day of the manifestation of the Báb there are 1844 years. When you add 456 years to this number it makes 2300 years. That is to say, the fulfillment of the vision of Daniel took place in the year A.D. 1844, and this is the year of the Báb’s manifestation according to the actual text of the Book of Daniel. "
Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 36-44​

With the Bible, you get the year 1844. But Year 1844 is the year 1260 A.H. in Islamic calander.​

Hijri and Gregorian calendar, Date conversion, Special Islamic days and events.​

May i ask you what is the relation between the hidden book and Bahaullah as your promised messiah. is that relevant to the topic.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

May i ask you what is the relation between the hidden book and Bahaullah as your promised messiah. is that relevant to the topic.

The Answer is clear. According to Baha'i Scriptures All the verses regarding the Day of Resurrection were the Figurative verses with Hidden meaning, and they were regarding the coming of the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Here is the Proof:

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Íqán

Baha'u'llah: The Great Announcement of the Qur'an

I quote from Baha'u'llah:

"As they have literally interpreted the Word of God, and the sayings and traditions of the Letters of Unity, and expounded them according to their own deficient understanding, they have therefore deprived themselves and all their people of the bountiful showers of the grace and mercies of God. And yet they bear witness to this well-known tradition: "Verily Our Word is abstruse, bewilderingly abstruse." In another instance, it is said: "Our Cause is sorely trying, highly perplexing; none can bear it except a favorite of heaven, or an inspired Prophet, or he whose faith God hath tested." These leaders of religion admit that none of these three specified conditions is applicable to them. The first two conditions are manifestly beyond their reach; as to the third, it is evident that at no time have they been proof against those tests that have been sent by God, and that when the divine Touchstone appeared, they have shown themselves to be naught but dross.
Great God! Notwithstanding their acceptance of the truth of this tradition, these divines who are still doubtful of, and dispute about, the theological obscurities of their faith, yet claim to be the exponents of the subtleties of the law of God, and the expounders of the essential mysteries of His holy Word. They confidently assert that such traditions as indicate the advent of the expected Qá’im have not yet been fulfilled, whilst they themselves have failed to inhale the fragrance of the meaning of these traditions, and are still oblivious of the fact that all the signs foretold have come to pass, that the way of God’s holy Cause hath been revealed, and the concourse of the faithful, swift as lightning, are, even now, passing upon that way, whilst these foolish divines wait expecting to witness the signs foretold. Say, O ye foolish ones! Wait ye even as those before you are waiting! "

--- Baha'u'llah, Book of Iqan




"O people, if ye deny these verses, by what proof have ye believed in God? Produce it, O assemblage of false ones.
Nay, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, they are not, and never shall be able to do this, even should they combine to assist one another."

-- Baha'u'llah, Tablet of Ahmad

 

[kylixguru]

It is important that you try to answer all the questions above so that we may proceed steadily into the book (al-kitaab) upon which the Entire Universe is based and which is between the hands of ALLAAH (God) on His Mighty Throne.

Then confirm again for us to continue.​

Ok, I will answer each one before we continue.

 

[kylixguru]

al_hikmah (the Wisdom) pertains to the execution of the book (al-kitaab). After we had gone through the Book (al-kitaab) I will then be able to show you what al_hikmah (the Wisdom) is.

Good enough for now. Thank you.

At this stage we must stop and and look back at all the information we have gathered thus far concerning the Book (al-kitaab).

From the point of view of the Qur'aan, "What are your observations?"

That it is speaking about a correct understanding of God's Word.

1)- Does there exist a book called the Book (al-kitaab)?

Yes.

2)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) a book that has been revealed to one person at one particular time or to a number of persons throughout time?

Many have had custody of it over the period of history. But, they have not been good custodians.

3)- If so (question 1), does the book (al-kitaab) sound like an important book?

It is important.

4)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) the Wisdom (al-hikmah)?

You said earlier that it is distinct. It soulds like proper application of The Book.

5)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) the Torah (al-tawrah)?

No. But, the Torah contains it though.

6)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) the Gospel (al-'injiyl).

No. But, the Gospels contain it too, and is a further natural extension of it.

7)- If so (question 1), is it any other book known to man before the coming of the gospel (al-'injiyl)?

I'm not qualified to answer that since I don't have clarity on what has been known to man prior to that time. It is likely that other cultures and civilizations have had it too, that I am not aware of.
If they have, it will become readily apparent to what degree they had it once a person receives it and then can assess what people have spoken over the years. It will then be possible to tell who was a true teacher and who was not.

8)- If so (question 1), is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) the Qur'aan (al-qur'aan)?

No. The Qur'aan represents yet another level of unfolding of things.

9)- If so (question 1), and if none of the above books is the book (al-kitaab) then we may want to ask the following further important questions:-

Ok.

i)- What is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab)?

It could be what is called the "sealed portion".

ii)- Is this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) still in existence (meaning on earth)?

If so, it would be a question of people's understanding. I don't know what others do or don't know so I am not qualified to answer.
I believe those who are totally sincere in wanting to understand will have portions of it, but that at some point there will need to be a gathering of all the bits and pieces so that things can come together for everyone.

iii)- If this book that is called the Book (al-kitaab) is still in existence, where can we find it?

Depending upon the extent to which transmission and translation have blurred and corrupted things, a person should still be able to reach it in their mind if they are sincerely devoted.
It would be found in the minds of the righteous and sincere.

iv)- Why is this book that is called the Book (al-kitaab) so elusive or why does this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) appear to be hidden from the eyes of the world?

Because people have a tendancy to want fantasies more than reality and they lack the discipline to tell the difference.

v)-Will this book that is called the book (al-kitaab) ever be made known again to the world and if so what would be the consequences if there would be any?

Yes, of course it shall. It will enable all who are sincere and penitent to have the darkness in their minds removed with the light and truth of God. It will be both a wonderful time and an awful time, depending on how people will align themselves against it. It is a day of judgment because God will use this as people's final exam. Either they will come into the light or they will reject it and then lose whatever light they once had. This will divide people of all religions.

 

[kylixguru]

May i ask you what is the relation between the hidden book and Bahaullah as your promised messiah. is that relevant to the topic.

I asked him to go ahead and do a post about that and I did read it. If I, or anyone else wishes to discuss this further, it should be done in a new thread.
Thank you.

 

[al-amiyr]

Good enough for now. Thank you.

That it is speaking about a correct understanding of God's Word.

Yes.

Many have had custody of it over the period of history. But, they have not been good custodians.

It is important.

You said earlier that it is distinct. It soulds like proper application of The Book.

No. But, the Torah contains it though.

No. But, the Gospels contain it too, and is a further natural extension of it.

I'm not qualified to answer that since I don't have clarity on what has been known to man prior to that time. It is likely that other cultures and civilizations have had it too, that I am not aware of.
If they have, it will become readily apparent to what degree they had it once a person receives it and then can assess what people have spoken over the years. It will then be possible to tell who was a true teacher and who was not.

No. The Qur'aan represents yet another level of unfolding of things.

Ok.

It could be what is called the "sealed portion".

If so, it would be a question of people's understanding. I don't know what others do or don't know so I am not qualified to answer.
I believe those who are totally sincere in wanting to understand will have portions of it, but that at some point there will need to be a gathering of all the bits and pieces so that things can come together for everyone.

Depending upon the extent to which transmission and translation have blurred and corrupted things, a person should still be able to reach it in their mind if they are sincerely devoted.
It would be found in the minds of the righteous and sincere.

Because people have a tendancy to want fantasies more than reality and they lack the discipline to tell the difference.

Yes, of course it shall. It will enable all who are sincere and penitent to have the darkness in their minds removed with the light and truth of God. It will be both a wonderful time and an awful time, depending on how people will align themselves against it. It is a day of judgment because God will use this as people's final exam. Either they will come into the light or they will reject it and then lose whatever light they once had. This will divide people of all religions.

You have answered perfectly. I will be back in thirty minutes 22h00 Table Mountain (Cape Town) Time.
Confirm for us to continue.

 

[kylixguru]

You have answered perfectly. I will be back in thirty minutes 22h00 Table Mountain (Cape Town) Time.
Confirm for us to continue.

Confirmed.

 

[al-amiyr]

Confirmed.

Entering The Hidden Book.

Here you must follow every detail. I am going to ask very simple questions which must be answered according to your opinion. I will also have to make a few assumptions to get the picture later. Like a child learning the alphabet for the first time and then ask the teacher, "Why is M em?." At that point the teacher cannot answer.
I hope you have pen and page ready to jot down a few points. Take your time. Full concentration is required. Attend to nothing else unless it is important. Tell me when to stop and when to continue. Then we can proceed.

Confirm if you are ready to enter The Book (al-kitaab).
Its name is
AliF_LaaM_MiyM_Raa'
A_L_M_R

It has two aspects to it
A_L_M and A_L_R

Confirm if you are ready to enter and there are no distractions.



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[kylixguru]

I'm ready. Please proceed.

 

[al-amiyr]

I'm ready. Please proceed.

In The Name of God_The All Merciful_The Most Merciful
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What would you see
if you were in an enclosed room​

and the lights were switched off or the power suddenly failed?​

What would you see?
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[kylixguru]

In The Name of God_The All Merciful_The Most Merciful​

What would you see

if you were in an enclosed room

and the lights were switched off or the power suddenly failed?


What would you see?​

Sorry for the delay.

Darkness. The absense of light.