"High School Students Crowned America's First Lesbian Homecoming Couple"

[Badran]

King is a title, Queen is a title. They havent voted a boy Queen yet cause none have come out.

Titles are supposed to have meanings or purposes though. The purpose of these titles is what determines whether or not this is great, nice, stupid etc...

If its supposed to be about simply the most popular boy and girl, then voting girls for king or boys for queen is simply silly and beats the purpose. What if a year came and the two most popular people were two boys or two girls who weren't actually homosexual, do you still crown them anyway?

If no, then its obviously not just about the two most popular people in general, but either specifically the most popular boy and the most popular girl, or the most popular couple in general. Which one of those two options determines to me whether or not this event warrants any 'opposition' or anger.

 

[Manfred]

Not sure if i'm actually following. What you're saying suggests that its a little about both then (them being a couple, or at least representing the idea of a couple or what have you, and being the most popular), since there is no reason to mention or think of a separate category for homosexual events if thats not what you meant.

No, it's nothing to do with them being a couple. It's about a man: King, and a woman: Queen, period. If you want a Queen and Queen, then there needs to be a seperate catogory, period. How's that reason looking now?

If its simply about the most popular boy and the most popular girl and thats it, there shouldn't be any need for separate events. The most popular girl (gay or straight), and the most popular boy (also gay or straight) would be crowned and thats that.

Here it is again:

Because it's not about the most popular couple, it's about the King and Queen. You crown the most popular guy, and the most popular young lady as your King and Queen. Sometimes these kids don't even hang out with each other, they're popular in their own right.

Right?

 

[Badran]

No, it's nothing to do with them being a couple. It's about a man: King, and a woman: Queen, period. If you want a Queen and Queen, then there needs to be a seperate catogory, period. How's that reason looking now?

Here it is again:

Right?

That is what i'm saying, i thought your mentioning of separate events however to be weird, since it suggests what i explained. In other words, i do agree that if what you said is the case, then its silly to make a lesbian couple 'king' and 'queen', i was simply wondering why would there be a need for separate events in the first place.

 

[waitasec]

i thought homecoming kings and queens didn't have to be a couple...
and that it was a popularity contest.

 

[Awoon]

Titles are supposed to have meanings or purposes though. The purpose of these titles is what determines whether or not this is great, nice, stupid etc...

If its supposed to be about simply the most popular boy and girl, then voting girls for king or boys for queen is simply silly and beats the purpose. What if a year came and the two most popular people were two boys or two girls who weren't actually homosexual, do you still crown them anyway?

If no, then its obviously not just about the two most popular people in general, but either specifically the most popular boy and the most popular girl, or the most popular couple in general. Which one of those two options determines to me whether or not this event warrants any 'opposition' or anger.

WOW!!! This is America and the kids do what they want to with the blessings of their school.

It dosent have to make sense.

 

[waitasec]

[/INDENT]The times, they have indeed changed.

ok, i get it...

good on them...the school mostly since it was decided by the students

yes Skwim the times they are a changing...

 

[waitasec]

What if a year came and the two most popular people were two boys or two girls who weren't actually homosexual, do you still crown them anyway?

if 2 boys were up for king there would be a tie...for king.

 

[Badran]

WOW!!! This is America and the kids do what they want to with the blessings of their school.

It dosent have to make sense.

That doesn't really answer anything i said. They can do whatever they want, that doesn't address whether or not what they're doing warrants any opposition or anger, or whether or not its silly. Since one of the girls is making a serious issue out of this (based on the impression i got out of the article), and some people gave responses here that suggests that this is supposed to represent something good, i thought its worth addressing.

 

[Badran]

if 2 boys were up for king there would be a tie...for king.

Thats not what i said. I didn't say if they were both up for king, i said if they both were the most popular. In other words, whether or not there is a distinction between king and queen, which there obviously is.

 

[waitasec]

That doesn't really answer anything i said. They can do whatever they want, that doesn't address whether or not what they're doing warrants any opposition or anger, or whether or not its silly. Since one of the girls is making a serious issue out of this (based on the impression i got out of the article), and some people gave responses here that suggests that this is supposed to represent something good, i thought its worth addressing.

i think it's making an important statement....
some don't like that statement...what else is new?

 

[Awoon]

That doesn't really answer anything i said. They can do whatever they want, that doesn't address whether or not what they're doing warrants any opposition or anger, or whether or not its silly. Since one of the girls is making a serious issue out of this (based on the impression i got out of the article), and some people gave responses here that suggests that this is supposed to represent something good, i thought its worth addressing.

They ran as a couple and got elected. Apparently there werent any laws or rules against it.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

i think it's making an important statement....
some don't like that statement...what else is new?

The statement that being a lesbian makes a girl a boy?

 

[Badran]

i think it's making an important statement....

Feel free to share it.

some don't like that statement...what else is new?

Nothing's new. I wanted to address however whether or not these people not liking that supposed statement, or how the event itself was carried out, were justified in holding that position.

Unless of course you're suggesting that its "obviously" just them being bigots, or intolerant, idiots etc... in which case i would need to address the questions i asked first, in order to make such judgement.

 

[Badran]

They ran as a couple and got elected. Apparently there werent any laws or rules against it.

I'm not saying it was against the school's rules or some code or whatever, merely whether or not its meaningful in regards to the purpose of the whole king and queen thing, and whether or not people had good reasons to find this silly or not like it.

 

[waitasec]

The statement that being a lesbian makes a girl a boy?

well they are in high school.
their reasoning is still being developed.

Feel free to share it.

the statement seems to indicate they are aware of the intolerance of being gay and do not agree with it.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It's a popularity contest like the awards given in this forum.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.:beach:

 

[Awoon]

I'm not saying it was against the school's rules or some code or whatever, merely whether or not its meaningful in regards to the purpose of the whole king and queen thing, and whether or not people had good reasons to find this silly or not like it.

It was meaningful to those who voted for them.

And that's all that matters.

 

[Awoon]

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.:beach:

Thats why I didnt vote.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.:beach:

Is white people using the word "playa" the game, or the playa?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If so, and especially the bolded part (that being a couple isn't actually a requirement, which means its almost totally about the most popular boy and girl specifically), i understand why some people don't like this (especially if they cared about this stuff).

It doesn't make any sense to crown a lesbian couple, if this is the case,

Two thoughts:

- while the "king" and "queen" don't have to be a couple, it's generally considered a positive thing if they are.

- I think we have to recognize that this system was set up based on the model that the king and queen reflect an idealized notion of a couple (metaphorically, even if they aren't a couple in real life), and that restricting things so that all homecoming "kings" must be boys and all homecoming "queens" must be girls sets up a scenario that effectively says that same-sex couples aren't considered the ideal.

That being said, I think Kilgore's right: these sorts of things are nonsense. My high school never had a homecoming king or queen - heck, it didn't even have homecoming - and I never felt deprived because of it.