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Hillary For Prez!

esmith

Veteran Member
Condie Rice has more experience and education than Hillary

Actually she doesn't but I give you kudos for trying.....
Parts of both previous posts edited to focus on the point of my reply.
Well let's take a look
Condoleezza Rice
From Condoleezza Rice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rice's initial college major was piano, but after realizing she did not have the talent to play professionally, she began to consider an alternative major.[11][13] She attended an international politics course taught by Josef Korbel, which sparked her interest in the Soviet Union and international relations. Rice later described Korbel (who was the father of Madeleine Albright, a future U.S. Secretary of State), as a central figure in her life.[14]
In 1974, at age 19, Rice was inducted into the honor society Phi Beta Kappa, and was awarded a B.A., cum laude, in political science by the University of Denver. While at the University of Denver she was a member of Alpha Chi Omega, Gamma Delta chapter.[15] She obtained a master's degree in political science from the University of Notre Dame in 1975. She first worked in the State Department in 1977, during the Carter administration, as an intern in the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. She would also study Russian at Moscow State University in the summer of 1979, and intern with the RAND Corporation in Santa Monica, California.[16] In 1981, at the age of 26, she received her Ph.D. in political science from the Josef Korbel School of International Studies at the University of Denver. Her dissertation centered on military policy and politics in what was then the communist state of Czechoslovakia.[17]
From 1980-1981, she was a fellow at Stanford University's Arms Control and Disarmament Program, having won a Ford Foundation Duel Expertise Fellowship in Soviet Studies and International Security.[16] The award granted a year-long fellowship at Harvard, Stanford, Columbia University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology or University of California Los Angeles - Rice contacted both Harvard and Stanford but claims Harvard ignored her.[16] Her fellowship at Stanford began her academic affiliation with the University and time in Northern California.

n 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, Rice served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. Rice was named as National Security Advisor. As Secretary of State, Rice traveled heavily and initiated many diplomatic efforts on behalf of the Bush administration;[88] she holds the record for most miles logged in the position.[89] Her diplomacy relied on strong presidential support and is considered to be the continuation of style defined by former Republican secretaries of state Henry Kissinger and James Baker.[88]
Now Hillary Clinton
From: Hillary Rodham Clinton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bachelor of Arts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia from Wellesely College. Rodham then entered Yale Law School, She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale-New Haven Hospital[35] and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free legal advice for the poor.[34] In the summer of 1970, she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. There she researched migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.[37] Edelman later became a significant mentor.[38] Rodham was recruited by political advisor Anne Wexler to work on the 1970 campaign of Connecticut U.S. Senate candidate Joseph Duffey, with Rodham later crediting Wexler with providing her first job in politics.[39]
In the late spring of 1971, she began dating Bill Clinton, also a law student at Yale. That summer, she interned at the Oakland, California, law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein.[40] The firm was well known for its support of constitutional rights, civil liberties, and radical causes (two of its four partners were current or former Communist Party members);[40] Rodham worked on child custody and other cases.[nb 3] Clinton canceled his original summer plans, in order to live with her in California;[41] the couple continued living together in New Haven when they returned to law school.[42] The following summer, Rodham and Clinton campaigned in Texas for unsuccessful 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern.[43] She received a Juris Doctor degree from Yale in 1973,[26] having stayed on an extra year to be with Clinton.[44] Clinton first proposed marriage to her following graduation, but she declined.[44]
Rodham began a year of postgraduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.[45] Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973.[46] Discussing the new children's rights movement, it stated that "child citizens" were "powerless individuals"[47] and argued that children should not be considered equally incompetent from birth to attaining legal age, but that instead courts should presume competence except when there is evidence otherwise, on a case-by-case basis.[48] The article became frequently cited in the field.[49]
Hmmmm, seems to be a considerable amount of difference in the education and experience here. Just where did you come up with the idea that Clinton has more education and experience than Rice? One would think that you have an issue with researching your conclusions, or is it you are prejudice?
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Parts of both previous posts edited to focus on the point of my reply.
Well let's take a look

:sarcastic



Hillary Rodham Clinton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 1965, Rodham enrolled at Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.[16] During her freshman year, she served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans;[17][18] with this Rockefeller Republican-oriented group,[19] she supported the elections of John Lindsay and Edward Brooke.[20] She later stepped down from this position, as her views changed regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War.[17]

Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students to recruit more black students and faculty.[23] In early 1968, she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association and served through early 1969;[22][24] she was instrumental in keeping Wellesley from being embroiled in the student disruptions common to other colleges.

To help her better understand her changing political views, Professor Alan Schechter assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference, and she attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program.

In 1969, she graduated with a Bachelor of Arts,[26] with departmental honors in political science.

Rodham then entered Yale Law School, where she served on the editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.[33] During her second year, she worked at the Yale Child Study Center,[34] learning about new research on early childhood brain development and working as a research assistant on the seminal work, Beyond the Best Interests of the Child (1973)

In the summer of 1970, she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. There she researched migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.[37] Edelman later became a significant mentor.[38] Rodham was recruited by political advisor Anne Wexler to work on the 1970 campaign of Connecticut U.S. Senate candidate Joseph Duffey, with Rodham later crediting Wexler with providing her first job in politics

In the late spring of 1971, she began dating Bill Clinton, also a law student at Yale. That summer, she interned at the Oakland, California, law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein.[40] The firm was well known for its support of constitutional rights, civil liberties, and radical causes

The following summer, Rodham and Clinton campaigned in Texas for unsuccessful 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern.[43] She received a Juris Doctor degree from Yale in 1973,[26] having stayed on an extra year to be with Clinton.

Rodham began a year of postgraduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.[45] Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973.
The article continues to highlight her career beyond what I posted above. Hillary is a little older than Rice but by the time Rice was graduating from high school Hillary was already getting familiar with the political arena. By the time Rice was receiving her degrees Hillary was already working in law and politics as well as interning with Senators etc. Hillary actually has a more extensive history in politics than Rice. Hillary was an accomplished lawyer, advocate and activist while Rice was still in college. Hillary has way more experience in the Whitehouse and on the Hill than Rice as well. Look, I'm not taking anything away from Rice because her actual history is nothing for anyone to snub their nose at and that wasn't my intention or attempt in my response to Rev. Rick. or even you for that matter.....but the fact of the matter is Hillary has more political experience than Rice. Not that Rice has none because she does obviously....but far less than Hillary.


Hmmmm, seems to be a considerable amount of difference in the education and experience here. Just where did you come up with the idea that Clinton has more education and experience than Rice? One would think that you have an issue with researching your conclusions, or is it you are prejudice?
I research them quite well. It seems you could do with taking your own advice once in a while.....;)
 

esmith

Veteran Member
:sarcastic



Hillary Rodham Clinton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The article continues to highlight her career beyond what I posted above. Hillary is a little older than Rice but by the time Rice was graduating from high school Hillary was already getting familiar with the political arena. By the time Rice was receiving her degrees Hillary was already working in law and politics as well as interning with Senators etc. Hillary actually has a more extensive history in politics than Rice. Hillary was an accomplished lawyer, advocate and activist while Rice was still in college. Hillary has way more experience in the Whitehouse and on the Hill than Rice as well. Look, I'm not taking anything away from Rice because her actual history is nothing for anyone to snub their nose at and that wasn't my intention or attempt in my response to Rev. Rick. or even you for that matter.....but the fact of the matter is Hillary has more political experience than Rice. Not that Rice has none because she does obviously....but far less than Hillary. As you said previously I give you kudos for trying, Not.



I research them quite well. It seems you could do with taking your own advice once in a while.....;)

So, you are saying that because Hilliary, in your opinion, has more "political" experience that this make her superior to Rice. Maybe we do not need more "politicians". You also seem to think Hillary is also superior because she is older. In addition how does a degree in law make a person more educated than someone that does not? I think you are grasping at straws in your defense.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
No, can't stand her. It would just be the same bs. If I had to support a candidate for president, I'd support Cynthia McKinney, a Green or a Socialist. But ideally, there wouldn't be a president or politicians, imo.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
So, you are saying that because Hilliary, in your opinion, has more "political" experience that this make her superior to Rice.

"Superior" is not a word I would use to describe her abilities over Rice's. I'm curious as to why you're using it.

You also seem to think Hillary is also superior because she is older.

Again, your choice of words are interesting. I stated age given the fact she's just a little older than Rice. I'm not sure what you got from my statement....:shrug:

In addition how does a degree in law make a person more educated than someone that does not?

Are you serious or are you joking.....I can't tell. Would you let you plumber represent you in court? We were discussing the level of education between the two. Her background as a lawyer in and as a civil rights advocate makes her qualified. Having an extensive background in law doesn't hurt when you're dealing with the Legislative Branch. Notice I never said it was necessary that one be a lawyer.

I think you are grasping at straws in your defense.

I think you have nothing else of worth to debate on this matter considering I've made my point more than once now...and for the record....it's a moot point since Rice has indicated she's not running for higher office.....:rolleyes:
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
I am ready for Hillary but I don't think America wants a woman president. Misogyny is a cultural institution here. If you thought the hissy fit that the Tea Party threw was bad, just imagine the fit they will throw if a woman is elected.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
I am ready for Hillary but I don't think America wants a woman president. Misogyny is a cultural institution here. If you thought the hissy fit that the Tea Party threw was bad, just imagine the fit they will throw if a woman is elected.


Oh, if she ever decides she's going to run...they're going to drag out that horse that's beat to death (Benghazi..!!!). You're going to see so many ads about that.
 

technomage

Finding my own way
Oh, if she ever decides she's going to run...they're going to drag out that horse that's beat to death (Benghazi..!!!). You're going to see so many ads about that.
Frankly, unless something changes, I don't see a Democrat victory for the White House in 2016. Personally, of the named "possible candidates," I support Clinton, but (as you correctly note) Benghazi will be the propaganda used to defeat her. Biden has no hope of winning, and there's nobody else warming up in the batters box, as it were.

On the Republican side, Christie is damaged goods. Walker, Ryan, Paul, or Cruz may be able to win the primary, but none of them could win a general election _unless_ the Republicans successfully play the "Anybody but Hillary" card. Unfortunately, considering the amount of propaganda already in play, it looks like that's what they're trying to do.

Problem is, even if Hillary wins, I don't foresee a party change in the House unless circumstances really change, and the Senate is vulnerable to Republican control.

Of course, we're just now gearing up for 2014, and events can change in the 2014-2016 time period, but it looks like it's going to be a charlie foxtrot for the 2016 election.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Politics isn't about doctorates, it is about talent and ability. Ms. Rice exhibit neither while Clinton has talent and ability in spades.
Indeed. She had such a stellar time as Secretary of State. Why, her list of accomplishments is miles long.... :rolleyes:
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Frankly, unless something changes, I don't see a Democrat victory for the White House in 2016. Personally, of the named "possible candidates," I support Clinton, but (as you correctly note) Benghazi will be the propaganda used to defeat her. Biden has no hope of winning, and there's nobody else warming up in the batters box, as it were.

On the Republican side, Christie is damaged goods. Walker, Ryan, Paul, or Cruz may be able to win the primary, but none of them could win a general election _unless_ the Republicans successfully play the "Anybody but Hillary" card. Unfortunately, considering the amount of propaganda already in play, it looks like that's what they're trying to do.

Problem is, even if Hillary wins, I don't foresee a party change in the House unless circumstances really change, and the Senate is vulnerable to Republican control.

Of course, we're just now gearing up for 2014, and events can change in the 2014-2016 time period, but it looks like it's going to be a charlie foxtrot for the 2016 election.

I agree with you but don't count out conservatives forgiving past transgressions of their fallen comrades. Mark Sanford comes to mind.... If the Chris Christie scandal goes away he might be a viable candidate. Maybe not to the extreme far right but a contender none the less. I think they might get behind Rand Paul, plagiarism aside... He's a Tea-pub-tarian that could garner a lot of votes.
 
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CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Indeed. She had such a stellar time as Secretary of State. Why, her list of accomplishments is miles long.... :rolleyes:

Well Clinton wasn't just Secretary of State or a US Senator, Hillary is a celebrity and in politics...celebrity is your ace card. Ms. Rice lacks the celebrity quotient.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
prejudice is not always based on race. In this case I was basing his possible prejudice on political affiliations.

Yeah, but you're wrong as usual. As a black man I rather admire and respect Mrs. Rice and her accomplishments especially since I said in one of my previous post ("I'm not taking anything away from Rice because her actual history is nothing for anyone to snub their nose at"). During black history month she's one of many who we honor, given her accomplishments......:shrug:
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Maybe the time is right for a person who's career is not politics to become President. There are a few that I could think of. However, it is hard for someone who is not a politician to run and win a "political" office. You have to have limited morals, a tendency to not tell the truth, be somewhat dishonest, and care more about oneself than others. Maybe that is why we have had very few exceptional presidents or members of Congress.
 
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