Hillary knew the Americans wouldn't accept

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Why would having a penis or a vagina make a difference in capability?

A penis always makes things better. And most women know this. In fact a lot of them and up wanting one for themselves as explained in this documentary:

 

[esmith]

I thought all you progressives were gender neutral?

 

[Shaul]

You only used a dictionary, dictionaries are terrible references when used in the way that you did. Wikipedia beats that idiocy to hell and back. So did the first site that I linked:

What is a Popular Vote? - Definition & Overview - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

As I said, you don't know how to use references properly.

Um, I didn’t only use a dictionary (which actually are good references, BTW, whereas Wikipedia and anonymous web sites are not). I also referenced the U.S. Constitution. You think the U.S, Constitution is “idiocy” but think Wikipedia is a good reference source. (And then you profer the silly notion the I am the one that doesn’t know how to use references when it is clearly you that doesn’t)

I think we have identified your problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

I thought all you progressives were gender neutral?

Only we real progressives are.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Um, I didn’t only use a dictionary (which actually are good references, BTW, whereas Wikipedia and anonymous web sites are not). I also referenced the U.S. Constitution. You think the U.S, Constitution is “idiocy” but think Wikipedia is a good reference source. (And then you profer the silly notion the I am the one that doesn’t know how to use references when it is clearly you that doesn’t)

I think we have identified your problem.

I see that you cannot deal properly with my argument. My only "problem" is your incompetence. First off where did the Constitution ever define what a winner of the "popular vote" was? The Constitution lays out how the President is elected. It is not concerned with the popular vote at all since how the President was elected was a bit of a compromise. I looked back and could only find your lame attempt to use a dictionary improperly. Second I once again referenced my non-wiki source. It clearly explained your error to you. Third Wikipedia is less anonymous than a dictionary. You have no clue at all who wrote individual definitions and there are far fewer people checking to see if a definition is correct than Wikipedia has.

Why are you so desperate to claim that Trump did not lose the popular vote when he clearly did? It appears that even you know deep down that Trump is an incompetent boob and you want to justify his position at all costs. That is rather sad.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Um, I didn’t only use a dictionary (which actually are good references, BTW, whereas Wikipedia and anonymous web sites are not). I also referenced the U.S. Constitution. You think the U.S, Constitution is “idiocy” but think Wikipedia is a good reference source. (And then you profer the silly notion the I am the one that doesn’t know how to use references when it is clearly you that doesn’t)

I think we have identified your problem.

No Clinton won the popular vote

U. S. Electoral College

Even Fox News says that Clinton won the popular vote.

2016 Presidential Election Headquarters

Here's more sites that claimed that she won the popular vote.

Hillary Clinton Officially Wins Popular Vote by Nearly 2.9 Million

https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/11/13/who-won-the-popular-vote/

Half of Republicans think Trump won the popular vote; Clinton won by 2.86M

US Election 2016 Results

How it happened: Clinton wins popular vote but loses election

Please explain to us with credible sources how you think that all these sources from all different ideology are all wrong and somehow you're correct. I especially want to know why the governmental archive site is wrong. Please and Thank you.

 

[Shaul]

No Clinton won the popular vote

U. S. Electoral College

Even Fox News says that Clinton won the popular vote.

2016 Presidential Election Headquarters

Here's more sites that claimed that she won the popular vote.

Hillary Clinton Officially Wins Popular Vote by Nearly 2.9 Million

https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/11/13/who-won-the-popular-vote/

Half of Republicans think Trump won the popular vote; Clinton won by 2.86M

US Election 2016 Results

How it happened: Clinton wins popular vote but loses election

Please explain to us with credible sources how you think that all these sources from all different ideology are all wrong and somehow you're correct. I especially want to know why the governmental archive site is wrong. Please and Thank you.

These citations do not prove that Hillary won the popular vote, as you think it does. These media and opinion sources seek to increase their audiences. They do this by seeking to validate the opinions of their target audiences, including their misconceptions and misunderstandings. Truth seeking is secondary.

The definitive source on elections is the entity holding the election. This is true for a local club or organization and for the Federal government. In the case of Federal elections the Federal government is the sole authority to make official declarations of elections and there results. They alone have the authority to declare if someone has won the election to President. The Federal government applies the principle of majority rule on Presidential elections. Hillary never received a majority of the popular vote. The Federal government has never declared her to have “won” the popular vote. They, and they alone, have the authority to do so.
Hillary
did
NOT
win
the
popular
vote.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

These citations do not prove that Hillary won the popular vote, as you think it does. These media and opinion sources seek to increase their audiences. They do this by seeking to validate the opinions of their target audiences, including their misconceptions and misunderstandings. Truth seeking is secondary.

The definitive source on elections is the entity holding the election. This is true for a local club or organization and for the Federal government. In the case of Federal elections the Federal government is the sole authority to make official declarations of elections and there results. They alone have the authority to declare if someone has won the election to President. The Federal government applies the principle of majority rule on Presidential elections. Hillary never received a majority of the popular vote. The Federal government has never declared her to have “won” the popular vote. They, and they alone, have the authority to do so.
Hillary
did
NOT
win
the
popular
vote.

I place a link to a federal government archive here it is again.

U. S. Electoral College

On there it says. Hillary won the popular vote. Stop ignoring the evidence.

 

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These citations do not prove that Hillary won the popular vote, as you think it does. These media and opinion sources seek to increase their audiences. They do this by seeking to validate the opinions of their target audiences, including their misconceptions and misunderstandings. Truth seeking is secondary.

The definitive source on elections is the entity holding the election. This is true for a local club or organization and for the Federal government. In the case of Federal elections the Federal government is the sole authority to make official declarations of elections and there results. They alone have the authority to declare if someone has won the election to President. The Federal government applies the principle of majority rule on Presidential elections. Hillary never received a majority of the popular vote. The Federal government has never declared her to have “won” the popular vote. They, and they alone, have the authority to do so.
Hillary
did
NOT
win
the
popular
vote.

And no matter how many times you repeat that mistake it will still be wrong. You had one weak source that you used and could not deal with the multiple better sources that refute your claim.

Tell me, why is it so important for you to deny reality?

 

[Shaul]

I place a link to a federal government archive here it is again.

U. S. Electoral College

On there it says. Hillary won the popular vote. Stop ignoring the evidence.

You better re-read your citation. It does not say Hillary won the popular vote. It notes the popular vote totals for the winner of the election (President Trump) and the total for his main opponent (Hillary Clinton). It only notes the winner of the election based on the electoral votes. It does NOT say anyone “won” the popular vote.

 

[Shaul]

And no matter how many times you repeat that mistake it will still be wrong. You had one weak source that you used and could not deal with the multiple better sources that refute your claim.

Tell me, why is it so important for you to deny reality?

I am not denying reality. The reality is that only the U.S. government could declare who “wins” the popular vote. The reality is they have never said that was Hillary Clinton.

The better question is why you and Hillary Clinton supporters so desperately, desperately want to cling to your mistaken misunderstandings. Much of that has to do with denial that President Trump beat your candidate. That Hillary lost, twice(!), to political outsiders you think she was “entitled” to beat. That a majority of voters just don’t want to vote for her. YOU are denying the truth; she is a loser and so are those mistakenly cling to the falsehood that “at least she won the popular vote”. She did not.

 

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I am not denying reality. The reality is that only the U.S. government could declare who “wins” the popular vote. The reality is they have never said that was Hillary Clinton.

The better question is why you and Hillary Clinton supporters so desperately, desperately want to cling to your mistaken misunderstandings. Much of that has to do with denial that President Trump beat your candidate. That Hillary lost, twice(!), to political outsiders you think she was “entitled” to beat. That a majority of voters just don’t want to vote for her. YOU are denying the truth; she is a loser and so are those mistakenly cling to the falsehood that “at least she won the popular vote”. She did not.

Wrong again, the Constitution lays out who won the presidential election and that is done through the electoral college. The popular vote does not enter into it. And Hillary only lose once, she lost the vote that counts right now she lost the electoral college. I did not vote for Hillary. But you can't say that a majority of voters did not want here since we did not have top two election. When multiple candidates are running there may be no clear majority. In fact if there are two conservatives running they may lose to a liberal that got fewer votes than both of them, but won the popular vote and the electoral college, as Bill did twice. Both times that Bill Clinton won he won both the popular vote and the electoral college, but he never had a majority. Ross Perot, a conservative business man, ruined the election twice for Republicans, who also tend to be conservative.

Why are you calling others desperate when you clearly have an issue with Hillary winning the popular vote? That is like getting mad that an opposing team in football had more yards than your team did even though your team won.

Why not have the attitude:Yeah Trump lost the popular vote, so what? He won the electoral college and the election."?

 

[Shaul]

Wrong again, the Constitution lays out who won the presidential election and that is done through the electoral college. The popular vote does not enter into it. And Hillary only lose once, she lost the vote that counts right now she lost the electoral college. I did not vote for Hillary. But you can't say that a majority of voters did not want here since we did not have top two election. When multiple candidates are running there may be no clear majority. In fact if there are two conservatives running they may lose to a liberal that got fewer votes than both of them, but won the popular vote and the electoral college, as Bill did twice. Both times that Bill Clinton won he won both the popular vote and the electoral college, but he never had a majority. Ross Perot, a conservative business man, ruined the election twice for Republicans, who also tend to be conservative.

Why are you calling others desperate when you clearly have an issue with Hillary winning the popular vote? That is like getting mad that an opposing team in football had more yards than your team did even though your team won.

Why not have the attitude:Yeah Trump lost the popular vote, so what? He won the electoral college and the election."?

Since I never ever wrote that the popular vote determines who is elected President, I am not “wrong again”. Don’t attempt to put words in my mouth. As you note the popular vote doesn’t determine who is elected, but rather the electoral vote. Because the popular vote doesn’t determine who will be President, the government doesn’t not need to declare who “wins” it. HOWEVER, they would be the only entity entitled to make declare it officially. Also, if they were going to do so, they would use the majority rule to do so. I have brought up that rule already.

President Clinton did not win the popular vote in his elections. He did not get more than 50% of the votes. Again, someone that receives less than a majority of the popular vote does not “win” it.

Technically, President Trump did not “lose” the popular vote, he simply did not “win” it. Those are different things.

Perhaps you should read the French constitution. It describes how in their system a candidate must win an absolute majority of the popular vote (the basis they use to determine who is elected). Should no single candidate receive an absolute majority, additional revoting takes place until someone does get a majority of the popular vote. Because France, like any democracy including the U.S., uses majority rule to determine “winners” in elections.

I don’t have a personal dog in any fight over who “won” the electoral nor the popular vote in the 2016 election, since did I not vote President Trump nor Hillary Clinton. I do care that there is clarity in how the system operates, and will champion to correct errors such as yours. Because the Rule of Law safeguards our rights as a free nation.

 

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Since I never ever wrote that the popular vote determines who is elected President, I am not “wrong again”. Don’t attempt to put words in my mouth. As you note the popular vote doesn’t determine who is elected, but rather the electoral vote. Because the popular vote doesn’t determine who will be President, the government doesn’t not need to declare who “wins” it. HOWEVER, they would be the only entity entitled to make declare it officially. Also, if they were going to do so, they would use the majority rule to do so. I have brought up that rule already.

President Clinton did not win the popular vote in his elections. He did not get more than 50% of the votes. Again, someone that receives less than a majority of the popular vote does not “win” it.

Technically, President Trump did not “lose” the popular vote, he simply did not “win” it. Those are different things.

Perhaps you should read the French constitution. It describes how in their system a candidate must win an absolute majority of the popular vote (the basis they use to determine who is elected). Should no single candidate receive an absolute majority, additional revoting takes place until someone does get a majority of the popular vote. Because France, like any democracy including the U.S., uses majority rule to determine “winners” in elections.

I don’t have a personal dog in any fight over who “won” the electoral nor the popular vote in the 2016 election, since did I not vote President Trump nor Hillary Clinton. I do care that there is clarity in how the system operates, and will champion to correct errors such as yours. Because the Rule of Law safeguards our rights as a free nation.

Of course you are wrong again. But nice try to change what others have said.

President Clinton did win the popular vote. You seem to have a hard time understanding that in every election, except for the almost unheard of case of a tie, there is a popular vote winner.

And Trump lost the popular vote. He had less votes than Hillary.

All that you had was a dictionary definition of a phrase. I gave two articles on the subject and there were countless examples given to you that Hillary won the popular election. You should be happy that we are based upon the electoral system.

And the French constitution does not define who wins the popular vote. The French constitution defines who won their elections. You still don't know how to use sources properly. Some countries have a best of two when no clear majority appears in the first ballot. Some don't. That is not a "winner of the popular vote" that is a demand that the winner win by majority. Other countries may go by the winner of the popular vote. I am not sure if there are any, but with so many countries it is likely.

ETA: And I did not vote for either Trump or Hillary either. I am merely correcting your amazingly wrong answers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And to counter the France example one only has to go to our next door neighbor Mexico. Their president is the winner of the popular vote. Period. No runoffs. No majority needed:

Elections in Mexico - Wikipedia

"The candidate who wins the most votes is elected president even if he or she does not have an absolute majority."

The winner of a popular vote may have less than a majority in an election, but if someone wins the majority they are always the winner. There is a reason that there are different terms. Popular merely means the most votes. Majority means over half. Majority vote winners are a subset of popular vote winners. Popular vote winners consists of both pluralities and majorities.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

You better re-read your citation. It does not say Hillary won the popular vote. It notes the popular vote totals for the winner of the election (President Trump) and the total for his main opponent (Hillary Clinton). It only notes the winner of the election based on the electoral votes. It does NOT say anyone “won” the popular vote.

Hillary received more counts in the popular vote therefore she wins the popular vote, but since the presidential election is determine by the Electoral counts, Trump won. Stop denying reality. Hillary was more popular with around 3 million votes. I know it upsets you that Hillary was more popular with the American voters than Trump, but it's time to act like an adult and get over it.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

The better question is why you and Hillary Clinton supporters so desperately, desperately want to cling to your mistaken misunderstandings. Much of that has to do with denial that President Trump beat your candidate. That Hillary lost, twice(!), to political outsiders you think she was “entitled” to beat. That a majority of voters just don’t want to vote for her. YOU are denying the truth; she is a loser and so are those mistakenly cling to the falsehood that “at least she won the popular vote”. She did not.

I didn't vote for Hillary, I voted for Johnson, but unlike you I don't deny they evidence in front of you. Trump wasn't the popular choice. Get over it.